Who would be willing to PAY for ships?

Colonel Kenney

Colonel Kenney
This is a sticky topic. I know right off the bat the type of people who hang here on the forums are purist and are resistant to anything that involves anyone actually having an advantage. They demand balance in all aspects of the game mainly because of PVP. There are points to it all but there is a silent majority of people who are part of Mobius etc who don't care and just want to play the game how we want to play and have fun.

Many other games are doing it (World of Warships, Star Citizen etc) and it does not break any form of immersion for me. I actually did buy a ship in WOW and (Graf Spee) and it isn't any better or worse than other tier ships. When I play others it doesn't give me any sort of advantage. It is balanced. I'm enjoying the ship and I didn't need to grind for it. Basically I was playing the game quite a bit and enjoying it so much FOR FREE that I wanted to give them money somehow but also get something in return. So this was a way I gave them money.

As a lifetime expansion holder I never need to pay FD another dime. Some of the cosmetic stuff doesn't excite me much. BUT if I could buy a custom ship I may consider it as a way of "donating" more money to them.

If FD hired more people specifically to pump out ships they will make enough money to get them also to start designing the interiors as well so when we have space legs we'll be able to move about in our ships.

Why not take all the existing ships and make variants on them? Have them come with pre-engineered modules, wing packs, cosmetic packs and such.

All of these purchasable ships should also be purchasable in game with credits as well. (without the cosmetics etc).

So lets pretend I'm a new player. I have a sidewinder and a small amount of credits. I buy an Anaconda. Well .. I still can't make money as I don't have the credits to buy a "rebuy" or fit it properly. I'd still need to work on earning ranks and earning money to continue to maintain the ship. Lets just say when you buy a ship you get an option for 10 free rebuys but after that you need to pay in game credits. Anyone knows if you restart you can get wealthy enough to get up to an anaconda in a few weeks anyway. So who cares?

How would a system like this work in ED?

My only restriction would be that any ship requiring military rank would not be purchasable.

Let the flamewar begin. [haha]

Edit - this will summarize my view. This is such a heated debate. I was just trying to get to the root of the problem that is the considered "pay to win" attitude. I really disagree that buying ships would be pay to win because you still need to learn your ship, get skills.

If buying ships is pay to win - then BUYING VR HOTAS and BIG COMPUTERS with BIG MONITORS is also pay to win.

1) I was against ship buying.
2) I had good experiences recently and found out it can be done without harming the game at all
3) Nobody has presented any tangible game based reason why it would break the game yet
4) People have stated they'll ragequit if they start selling ships.
5) I'm trying to find the underlying reason why they want to ragequit to see if there is a compromise or something that would allow them to accept the situation.
6) I'm hoping they'll (FD) get additional revenue coming in and maybe it'll accelerate the development process? Isn't that what we all want?
7) I want to give them money on something useful. Not just cosmetics.
 
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Aashenfox

Aashenfox
Shadowdancer said:
Players are already paying for the Beluga and Dolphin.
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This.

In response to OP, if reasonably priced, say 5e for a small ship, 10e for a medium and 15e for a big one, or less, yes, I would buy ships, I would even buy them if they were just body variants of the same ships we currently have, same internal layouts, etc, but different bodies, cockpits and critically, hard point locations.
 
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Anthemeia

A
I already pay for ships with the time I invest in the game earning credits. Letting real-world money into the game at this stage will be its death knell, not because of game balance, but because FDev does not have the goodwill of enough of its players to pull it off.
 

JW667

JW667
Bit of a non-issue really, FD have always said there will only be cosmetics in the store. (not including expansions like Horizons)

You know there are loads of people who are willing to buy a ship.
If they are willing to buy a ton of cosmetics, why not a ship.
Just look at SC.
 

wenkman

wenkman
why are we paying for the beluga and dolphin? is that horizons only?

we also paid for the cobra mk.4 with this rare buy option. but the ship is not sooo perfect.

i mean, as long as the ships we buy are bad, it's not pay to win, is it?
 

furrycat

furrycat
Star Citizen ship sales are for early access. You will have to earn them in-game after release.

A separate topic would be purely cosmetic hulls. It has the stats of a Cobra Mk III. It has the same module slots as a Cobra Mk III. It has basically the same hitbox as a Cobra Mk III. But it is a Colonel Kenney Mk I.

However it is my understanding that the devs are not really in favour of hull reskins.
 

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
If anything Pay 2 Win came to ED, other than expansions (which is more of away to encourage buying it), I wouldn't play in Open anymore.

I have no interest in trying to complete with someone who gains an advantage just by having a bigger wallet than me.

Besides, the entire point of ED is to earn your way up to the ships, if you can just hand over some real money and skip that, then what do you do?
There's not much in the way of competitive PvP in ED to encourage needing anything Pay 2 Win anyway.

If you could buy access to this stuff in ED, but still have to earn it in game, that wouldn't be so bad. Probably.

I just hate all forms of Pay 2 Win.
Cosmetics and expansions is where it should end.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Prepare yourselves for a spectacular bit of cognitive dissonance....

I'd probably be willing to pay for some ships, as long as there was something noteworthy about them.
Trouble is, I'm also averse to the idea of "pay to win" so I'm not keen on the idea of people being able to buy ships that yield an advantage over "standard" ships.

That being the case, the only ships I'd actually be interested in buying would be ships that I wouldn't approve of FDev offering for sale.

[where is it]
 

Iskariot

Iskariot
Colonel Kenney said:
This is a sticky topic. I know right off the bat the type of people who hang here on the forums are purist and are resistant to anything that involves anyone actually having an advantage. They demand balance in all aspects of the game mainly because of PVP. There are points to it all but there is a silent majority of people who are part of Mobius etc who don't care and just want to play the game how we want to play and have fun.

Many other games are doing it (World of Warships, Star Citizen etc) and it does not break any form of immersion for me. I actually did buy a ship in WOW and (Graf Spee) and it isn't any better or worse than other tier ships. When I play others it doesn't give me any sort of advantage. It is balanced. I'm enjoying the ship and I didn't need to grind for it. Basically I was playing the game quite a bit and enjoying it so much FOR FREE that I wanted to give them money somehow but also get something in return. So this was a way I gave them money.

As a lifetime expansion holder I never need to pay FD another dime. Some of the cosmetic stuff doesn't excite me much. BUT if I could buy a custom ship I may consider it as a way of "donating" more money to them.

If FD hired more people specifically to pump out ships they will make enough money to get them also to start designing the interiors as well so when we have space legs we'll be able to move about in our ships.

Why not take all the existing ships and make variants on them? Have them come with pre-engineered modules, wing packs, cosmetic packs and such.

All of these purchasable ships should also be purchasable in game with credits as well. (without the cosmetics etc).

So lets pretend I'm a new player. I have a sidewinder and a small amount of credits. I buy an Anaconda. Well .. I still can't make money as I don't have the credits to buy a "rebuy" or fit it properly. I'd still need to work on earning ranks and earning money to continue to maintain the ship. Lets just say when you buy a ship you get an option for 10 free rebuys but after that you need to pay in game credits. Anyone knows if you restart you can get wealthy enough to get up to an anaconda in a few weeks anyway. So who cares?

How would a system like this work in ED?

My only restriction would be that any ship requiring military rank would not be purchasable.

Let the flamewar begin. [haha]
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I don't like that at all. I would never use shortcuts to get a ship myself.
And if the mechanic were in the game it would feel cheap too me.
It would give me nightmares about Elite becoming a second Star Citizen.
 

Riverside

Riverside
If we take the Cobra MkIV & Beluga as current examples of 'premium' ships, I'd be happy enough for there to be a fee to pay in order to gain access to a ship in-game (ie i'd still have to buy it in-game).

If that ship offered some significant advantage in a PvP capacity (eg a FDL killer) that might be a problem but I think a PvE advantage like high jump range would be okay.

I'd really like to be able to gain access to ships like a Cobra MkI that look different & are cool, but functionally convey no advantage. I'd be happy for my hypothetical Cobra MkI to be functionally identical to a Viper MkIII for example.
 

Knightshark

Knightshark
Under no circumstance do i want to see ship sales or sale of access to ships. Only exception is if these are part of a much larger expansions like Horizons. But i don't want to go to the online shop and buy ships for 5-10 euro.
 

Shadowdancer

Shadowdancer
Bonus scenario: you buy the Federal Corvette Mk2 for 10€, immediately crash it, can't afford rebuy, and it's gone. Rebuy is of course 1€.

(edit) The more I think about it, the more I like that approach :D
 
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WR3ND

WR3ND
TL;DR, so this is just a response to the title, for what it's worth...

"Who would be willing to PAY for ships?"

No thanks, wreaks of Pay to Win to me. Bear in mind that this is coming from someone who has the LEP too, and might get such content for free anyway.
 
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Colonel Kenney

Colonel Kenney
Good points on all the Horizons Beluga and Dolphin ships.

Why not just make them available to everyone including Horizons to just streamline the game for everyone?

Then you allow people to purchase nostalgic or crappier ships. Maybe the Cobra MK1 .. like people are mentioning. If people like a challenge use older ships. Just make a wide variety of unique and fun ships to use that are a challenge to engineer. I'd buy it.

Then be ready for buying "real estate" for bases eventually in Season 7 :)

Knightshark said:
Under no circumstance do i want to see ship sales or sale of access to ships. Only exception is if these are part of a much larger expansions like Horizons. But i don't want to go to the online shop and buy ships for 5-10 euro.
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You would not be forced into buying anything. You can still acquire the ships in game the normal way. Why and for what reason would you want to prevent other people from doing what they want?
 

rrobes

R
I don't need to buy new ships, I have as many as I want.

But can I buy a few LY's jump range and about 30 more m/s thrust for my Corvette?

I promise I won't ask for more![wink]
 
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