”But some of us here don't see franchise as running a business.”
Even though, by definition...
Even though, by definition...
Whoever resold my western lowland Gorilla..
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It's not a surprise to get the same fatalism here than we can get in real life "there's a way to do it, and others do it, so it's useless to do otherwise, let's all do it". That's how we got the planet in this state in the first place. That's why people created regulations, and that's why we ask for them because only Frontier can set them
It's not a surprise to get the same fatalism here than we can get in real life "there's a way to do it, and others do it, so it's useless to do otherwise, let's all do it". That's how we got the planet in this state in the first place. That's why people created regulations, and that's why we ask for them because only Frontier can set them
This and so much this.
Oh, and by the way: While running a zoo IS busines, and we simulate that in Planet Zoo with $, trading animals between zoos is not. It's not "who pays most for that Gorilla", but "who will benefit the most". There are strong regulations. So argumenting with realism and real life market when talking about CC and Conservation also has its flaws.
On a side note: Personallly I don't think "that's how its done and there will always people who do it that way" won't lead us anywhere on no topic. There always need to be people who are willing to change the system and sometimes even do a sacrefise for it. In this case, earning less CC.
And just because there are poo-production faces in RL when it comes to charity, it doesn't mean we should use them as an example.
do you own battery driven electronics? do you use the internet? do you watch tv? then you are just as bad on destroying the planet.It's not a surprise to get the same fatalism here than we can get in real life "there's a way to do it, and others do it, so it's useless to do otherwise, let's all do it". That's how we got the planet in this state in the first place. That's why people created regulations, and that's why we ask for them because only Frontier can set them
This is getting off topic but it makes me grumpy so I'll post. Accusations of hypocrisy are not a sensible rejoinder to comments that we all need to do better at protecting the world. In our current system it is not possible to live a life with no impact on the environment one way or another. Humanity requires huge changes to our food and energy systems which can only happen on a government and corporate level - individuals can and should do what they can to live within planetary boundaries BUT change won't happen if we expect anyone advocating for it to be a saint. Sorry for the rant but I work with environmental scientists so they get this all the time and it's so unfair.
thats so much rubbish. you just want the govt to babysit you. change starts at ourselfs. if you stop using ty stuff then others might too. and if many do it then there will be change. saying the govt needs to change it is pure hypocrisy. as long as the govt doesnt need to do something you dont either, right?
You misunderstood my point. There is a limit to what any one individual can do. I buy my electricity and gas from a company that gets more from renewables according to independent assessments but my house heating is not solar power because I can't afford to buy them (especially as government subsidies have been cut). I am not completely veggie because I find it difficult to resist the odd bit of meat or fish but I cook mostly veggie food at home but most products I buy it's completely impossible to evaluate their supply chain and work out which has a smaller carbon footprint. Even if I knew which one was lower that may be worse for biodiversity, or water security, or slavery. As a consumer I don't have the full picture and I never will. I do what I can for my budget with what information I have but that is all I can do and it won't save the world. I don't drive but I don't expect everyone to be able to live their lives without a car or to be able to afford an electric one. So I need my government to regulate, I need companies to work towards sustainability and I need whole systems to change. I resent the implication that I can't ask for that change until I've given up my job, stopped heating my house, stopped talking to people who drive cars, stopped buying clothes and stopped eating food. Exactly where is your line for how 'good' I need to be before I can ask my government not to subsidise fossil fuels and invest in wind farms? Or regulate farming?
There are markets "in real life" that work EXACTLY like the animal market in Planet Zoo. It's even getting more and more common in online marketing, where people buy your stuff and sell it for a higher price making even millions doing it. It's nothing new, is it right or wrong, I don't judge people before I know them. Should we all start doing it? Well that's not up to me either. I for sure won't, because I don't even play Franchise mode, gaming for me is a way to get away from all that stuff so no point doing it while gaming.
I like it alot that a few have the urge to change the system, I would love to see them succeed. Unfortunally i'm rather realistic as optimistic, and know that plenty of people tried to do so on a "real life" world scale and failed over and over again. I could give my opinion and ideas about how or why it fails, but in the end the answer is money or in the case of Planet Zoo it's CC.
On the bright side since no one "owns" his CC and it's actually property of Frontier. They hold the real power in the end, because they can regulate the market or change it however they see fit. But to come up with ideas so there won't be any profit making, happy/unhappy players and still a decent market system seems kind of impossible to me. It would either make challanges no challange at all, or result in an offline market wich we already have in all other game modes.
I certainly haven't met anyone so far that's smart enough to come up with an idea that would debunk profit and greed, If you are that person awesome but then Planet Zoo is the last place you should be, lol.
That wasn't my point. My point was, that the game was marketed towards realism and conservation. Selling and reselling, a capitalistic market, is not present in modern zoos. The "making money" aspect is ONLY on zoo representation, merchandising and whatever. You do not earn your money by selling polar bears, because there are indeed strong restrictions.If trading in zoos wasn't regulated, we would have a huge problem with poaching.
Also, don't tell me what game is or is not for me. I know for myself, thank you.
Do you know what contamines like crazy?
Kids.
But I go around saying to people with kids they are horrible, since their carbon footprint is bigger than mine (as a person that doesn’t want kids)? No, because that’s really mean.
We can pressure big corporations and government to do a sustancial change, or we can go harassing individuals for their much smaller footprint. And if we do the last, then it should consist mostly on having one or zero kids, since the effect it’s much bigger than a electric car, a vegan diet or whatever. Would be hypothetical otherwise.
And that’s how we should end? Amazon, it’s fine you keep all your devices running 24/7 on that huge warehouse; but the rest please stop having children, using the car, eating affordable food and using heat. You’re killing the planet, you know?
True in our modern times alot of zoo's work together with breeding programs and exchange animals accordingly. However there are plenty other ways some zoo's get their animals, sadly there still exist an animal black market and poaching is still a large problem in certain areas across the globe. In a not so long past Zoo's were build on a capitalistic market, it's only in the last few decenia's people finnaly are waking up and see the error in it.
Can we expect that Frontier will rethink/make the current market, I don't know... I suspect it's a mather of demand from the community. Then again as I said it's not easy to come up with such ideas, that's probably why they created the CC market in the first place.
Also, I didn't mean to offend or deny anyone playing Planet zoo by saying "Planet Zoo is the last place you should be" It is meant in a good way, such as if you can find a solution for profit and greed you have your hands full solving the same issue in "the real world" instead of a virtual one like Planet Zoo. Then again it's not my place to tell anyone to do anything, I'm just saying it could do ALOT more good in the real world... if you had such an idea.
Anyway, I guess it's up to the community to ask Frontier to either change the market or to deal with it the way it works... either way if people use my advise to get their business mindset on or not is up to them... I'm just trying to help and share my honest opinion, nothing more.