why are most systems already discovered?

etien

etien
I think we are touching the main problem of the design of ED as of today
- I am old (and yes an old timer of elite/frontier etc)
- I work in RL long hours
- I will probably be able to play like 4 hours a week.
Meaning: I wont get fun, I will get trashed by uber pirates that have maxout their weapons in less than 48hours after release. I wont discover anything as automated robots will have mapped the close universe for me before I ever get there and so on.. somehow Offline was the way to go for me.
Etienne
 

Bald Avenger

B
etien said:
I will get trashed by uber pirates that have maxout their weapons in less than 48hours after release
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If you play in solo mode that can't happen.

I wont discover anything as automated robots will have mapped the close universe for me before I ever get there and so on
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Someone with a better maths brain than me, in a thread I cant find, worked out that within x [insert sensible small number here] hyperspace jumps, the number of systems within that range was approx y [insert stupidly large number here]

Basically, within 30 or 40 minutes of focused jumping and fuel scooping you can easily reach out to areas extremely unlikely that others have ever visited.
 

MorkFromOrk

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MorkFromOrk
Bald Avenger said:
Its a valid point.

Mankind didn't stop surveying after the first survey.

The paper maps on my bookshelf were out of date before they came of the printing press.
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I'm talking about using a basic discovery scanner on the main star that only discovers the bodies in the system. Not any additional level of detail from any other scanner. The entirety of my exploration has been jump to system, scan star, jump to next system, scan star etc. The devs are simply making up a story to cover the fact that they wanted to give something to explorers starting out in the populated areas rather than forcing them to go to the edge of known space.

I can buy data for the system for 100CR but scan the same system and sell the data for 4000 and all it contains is the number of bodies. I don't even wait to get the name resolved on any of them.

In the paper maps analogy I'm not sure people need me to check that a major landmass is still there since the last time someone checked. You would sort of expect someone in the population that lived on it or nearby it to pipe up with "er, guys, anyone noticed that Cyprus is missing?" or even "bloomin' nora! Where did that continent appear from? It weren't there yesterday!"
 
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Kurgen

Kurgen
Etienne, play in "Solo" mode. The universe is yours to discover then. The only "life" you'll come across is AI controlled, and you'll find that the range of difficulty is very good. Even just at one nav beacon, I had AIs ranging from easy to impossible.
 

Doomus

Doomus
MorkFromOrk said:
If believing that works for you then I'm happy for you. :)
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Think of Google Maps. You wouldn't want that digital data to be surveyed once, put on the Web and then just left there. Much of Google Maps is out of date by a few years already. My house looks quite different to the one on there. In a dynamic evolving system fresh data is always worth paying for
 

MorkFromOrk

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MorkFromOrk
Doomus said:
Think of Google Maps. You wouldn't want that digital data to be surveyed once, put on the Web and then just left there. Much of Google Maps is out of date by a few years already. My house looks quite different to the one on there. In a dynamic evolving system fresh data is always worth paying for
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Please consider the post I just made about the level of discovery I am actually doing. Then tell me if I should expect to get 4000CR for it.

I agree with the basis of the explanation you are giving, but why should I believe it to be right to get so much for confirming that Australia is still there which is about the level of detail that the basic discovery scanner returns? If no HAS scanned it before then sure, but I can buy data for 100CR already then somebody already did it!
 

foxpur

foxpur
etien said:
I think we are touching the main problem of the design of ED as of today
- I am old (and yes an old timer of elite/frontier etc)
- I work in RL long hours
- I will probably be able to play like 4 hours a week.
Meaning: I wont get fun, I will get trashed by uber pirates that have maxout their weapons in less than 48hours after release. I wont discover anything as automated robots will have mapped the close universe for me before I ever get there and so on.. somehow Offline was the way to go for me.
Etienne
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There are 400bn star systems out there ... let's assume there are 40,000 players, and subtract say.. 4000 known systems... and if each user and every dedicated to explore... That is still just a tiny hair under 10,000,000 to be found and mapped by each player... I honestly don't see that happened in our lifetiimes
 

Bald Avenger

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MorkFromOrk said:
Please consider the post I just made about the level of discovery I am actually doing. Then tell me if I should expect to get 4000CR for it.
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Yes you should, because stars are big nasty temperamental and sometimes unpredictable things, and the more up to date info you can get on them, the more chance you have of predicting nasty things.

I guess that's the reason there are a few current or en route surveying missions to our sun now, and we are a pokey civilization barely progressed beyond fighting with sticks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Solar_System_probes#Solar_probes
 
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MorkFromOrk

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MorkFromOrk
I give up arguing this point but if anyone wants to, please point me to the doc that says the basic discovery scanner does anything more than count the bodies within its range in the system. Perhaps then I might be able to believe this is something other than a 'keep the newbie explorers happy with something to do'.
 

foxpur

foxpur
specialsymbol said:
So, are those grey systems unpopulated then? I need to fuel scoop to move on?
Are there pirates?
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Grey is undiscovered, NOT un-populated

There was a first expansion of man, but it was lost to time, now we are rediscovering the galaxy and those that are in it. So we are in the 2nd expansion and find lost colonies and other life
 

Jedra7609

Jedra7609
Ventura said:
Well, not really, because systems that have been discovered in standard multiplayer show up as discovered in solo, don't they?
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This is true, however as it has been said, if you start heading out in one direction, very quickly you will be treading a path that no-one else has. Even if Elite sells in quantities that DB cannot even dream of (even with a 64bit brain), there are going to be millions of places people have never been. Then, even if the incredible happens and it starts to get fully discovered, they can add more.
 

psyaxismundi

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The stock discovery scanner (which is upgradeable) you have only works in a radius of 500 Ls. It is very common for some systems (especially binaries and clusters) to have objects much, much further out than that.

If you want to discover things with the discovery scanner, you literally have to get out and go where no-one has gone before.

"Most" systems currently are not discovered as there are literally billions of systems and the starting area is only a miniscule portion of the galaxy.

In short, if your discovery scanner isn't picking up anything, you're not exploring far enough.
 
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