Why are the market selling prices for LTDs - RIGGED ?

Susanna

Susanna
So I have two ED accounts... Here are my two accounts... (Cmdr Susanna Saunders & Cmdr 3VE) both at Kanandos - Anderson City at the same time.
Shown on my two monitors (with different size screens)

https://imgur.com/a/0rtVTAu
Source: https://imgur.com/a/0rtVTAu


One with a hold full of LTDs and one without.

The account with the LTDs [Cmdr Susanna Saunders] sees a market price of $1,318,953 per ton.

The account without the LTDs [Cmdr 3VE] sees a market price of $1,728,317 per ton.

https://imgur.com/v6XNfpz
Source: https://imgur.com/v6XNfpz


Is FDev rigging the market so you can't cash in your LTDs for the full market price?

Can someone explain this to me please?
 
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Old Duck

Old Duck
Hidden fees and taxes - reminds me of real life! Phone bills come to mind, LOL.

(I'm not defending the practice BTW)
 

Lightspeed

Lightspeed
Do the two ships have different quantities in cargo? The one with the most cargo should, in theory, be offered the lowest price because .... it's rigged as a tax

In the case of the one without LTDs, there is no "tax". The taxation is applied to the total load in the ship. So I presume the first ship, with the LTDs is taxed.
 
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JonesTheFilm

JonesTheFilm
That's interesting, that's ties with a weird thing I experienced last night. I flew from Borann to Delphi (The Oracle) after checking EDDB and seeing LTD price at 1.7 something mil, as opposed to one 1.4 something mil for the next best system. When I got there the price at The Oracle was only 1.3 something mil.

The last few days I've been using EDDB and it's been spot on with every other price (usually saw around 1.6 something mil as an average).
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
It's simulating the effects of demand... as you show there's 504t of demand.

At 504t of demand, the price is 1.7m per tonne

If that demand were only 10t, the price would likely be in in the order of 700k or so.

That you see 1.4m with a cargohold of 500t is because the first few tonnes will be around 1.7m, and the price would typically roll down as you sold the last of the 500t.

In other words.. there is 500t of demand... there are not 500 x 1t sell orders each at 1.7m
 

Susanna

Susanna
Drelthar said:
Each item you sell, reduces the demand, which reduces the price offered.

As you can sell things in one go - it pre-calculates the demand falling per item and gives you the end result.
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This is two ships at the same market at the same time. The only difference is that one acc has LTDs in the hold and one hasn't.

Neither have sold LTDs in the last day...

They should see the same market price!
 

CMDR Karrde Sun

CMDR Karrde Sun
Anderson city can be pretty volatile depending on how many other people are there, though im sure its more complicated.

A glitch in the matrix.
 

Susanna

Susanna
Jmanis said:
It's simulating the effects of demand... as you show there's 504t of demand.

At 504t of demand, the price is 1.7m per tonne

If that demand were only 10t, the price would likely be in in the order of 700k or so.

That you see 1.4m with a cargohold of 500t is because the first few tonnes will be around 1.7m, and the price would typically roll down as you sold the last of the 500t.

In other words.. there is 500t of demand... there are not 500 x 1t sell orders each at 1.7m
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My cargo on the ship with the LTDs is 128T of LTDs - well below the 500T demand of the station.
 

Drelthar

Drelthar
Susanna said:
This is two ships at the same market at the same time. The only difference is that one acc has LTDs in the hold and one hasn't.

Neither have sold LTDs in the last day...

They should see the same market price!
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I don't think you understood what I said.

It is PRECALCULATING the price as the demand WOULD drop, if you sold the items in your hold - so that, once you sell them all, you get the price as affected by demand dropping as you sell each item.

The other one does not have any cargo to do a pre-calculation on - therefore, it's the price at the current demand only.
 

Susanna

Susanna
JonesTheFilm said:
That's interesting, that's ties with a weird thing I experienced last night. I flew from Borann to Delphi (The Oracle) after checking EDDB and seeing LTD price at 1.7 something mil, as opposed to one 1.4 something mil for the next best system. When I got there the price at The Oracle was only 1.3 something mil.

The last few days I've been using EDDB and it's been spot on with every other price (usually saw around 1.6 something mil as an average).
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I think FDev are capping the earning on LTDs! 1.3mil is what I'm seeing for my LTDs...
 

Ashnak

Ashnak
FD have explainde that some time ago - might have been a couple of months - and some players have sussed out the maths behind it.

Simply speaking, the more you have in your cargo bay, the less the station is willing to pay you. The key number is the ratio between the amount in your cargo bay and local demand.

Yes, it's not realistic. No, it's not going to change into a more realistic model - the underlying mechanics of the marketlpace in ED essentially won't permit it.
 

Jmanis

Jmanis
Just to try and illustrate it with an example using easier numbers.

Say there's 10t of demand, and the sale price listed for that is 1.7m. What that actually looks like is:
3t @ 1.7m (high demand segment)
5t @ 1.4m (medium demand segment)
2t @ 1.1m (low demand segment)

So if you sold 10t to that, you'd get 1.43m per tonne (averaged out over the total demand), not 1.7m per tonne.

FWIW, this system has been in the game for a long time, it's just not as visible with other commodities.

EDIT: Note, this is a trivialised example, the figures won't be precise, but the effect is the same.
 

Lightspeed

Lightspeed
Drelthar said:
I don't think you understood what I said.

It is PRECALCULATING the price as the demand WOULD drop, if you sold the items in your hold - so that, once you sell them all, you get the price as affected by demand dropping as you sell each item.

The other one does not have any cargo to do a pre-calculation on - therefore, it's the price at the current demand only.
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This is why, Susanna .... it's been discussed somewhere in the forum. It is why it is now undesirable to turn up at a station with a cutter load of gems.
 

Susanna

Susanna
Drelthar said:
I don't think you understood what I said.

It is PRECALCULATING the price as the demand WOULD drop, if you sold the items in your hold - so that, once you sell them all, you get the price as affected by demand dropping as you sell each item.

The other one does not have any cargo to do a pre-calculation on - therefore, it's the price at the current demand only.
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The price shown should be the current market price - irespective of whether I have goods in my hold. They aren't scanning my hold and adjusting the price based on that! It isn't the sell page (which shows the same thing btw). When viewing the market prices - these should be 'as is' - no 'pre-calculation' of anything!
 

thistle

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Jmanis said:
Just to try and illustrate it with an example using easier numbers.

Say there's 10t of demand, and the sale price listed for that is 1.7m. What that actually looks like is:
3t @ 1.7m (high demand segment)
5t @ 1.4m (medium demand segment)
2t @ 1.1m (low demand segment)

So if you sold 10t to that, you'd get 1.43m per tonne (averaged out over the total demand), not 1.7m per tonne.

FWIW, this system has been in the game for a long time, it's just not as visible with other commodities.
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Yes, and it's not calculated after the sales, as others have mentioned it's pre-calculated based on the amount in the hold, which is why Susanna is seeing two prices.
 

thistle

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Susanna said:
The price shown should be the current market price - irespective of whether I have goods in my hold. They aren't scanning my hold and adjusting the price based on that! It isn't the sell page (which shows the same thing btw). When viewing the market prices - these should be 'as is' - no 'pre-calculation' of anything!
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Should or not - that is what it is doing, people keep saying this to you.
 
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