Why Is Inara/EDDB So Wrong?

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
I've been doing a spot of core mining, yesterday I had 78 tonnes of Opel's to sell, and today I had 40 tonnes of Alexandrite and 20 LTDs to sell.

Both times, inara was completely wrong for the selling price.

EDDB doesn't list VOs or Alexandrite, but said LTDs were 600k/t.

When I docked, just 120k/t...

Am I doing something wrong? Does the universe hate me?

Why I no rich...?

I've done atleast 3 hours mining, and quite frankly, 96 million isnt enough. How am I supposed to buy 17 Corvettes? HOW?
I need money to buy PvP skill!

My non existent children are going to starve because of these inaccuracies!
Law suit incoming!
Game is dead.
Something something steam stats.
:p

But in all seriousness, why are they simple never correct. Even if it says "Updated 3 minutes ago"....?
 

dm0815

dm0815
It's worth paying attention to the age of the data. The older it gets the more unreliable it becomes. Both sites depend on community contributions to keep it up to date, which isn't easy considering the amount of stations existing in the game.
 

Pliedies

Pliedies
I'm mining near shinrata, and about an hour ago I got 1.6mil for VO's at LHS something . it's out there , I'm not sure how far the search goes in terms of light years from your chosen system.

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this was on my Xbox account though, is there a difference with the servers?
 
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It's out there. Use the BGS and go find it.

Expansion, investment, and boom states tend to have good prices.
 
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askavir

askavir
The prices etc on Inara, eddb, etc aren't "official" real-time data. It relies on players using tools to send data to Inara, eddb etc. So the data will only be as up to date as the last time a player docked at that location AND was using one of the tools that send data to Inara etc.

To be honest I like it that way. It's not a super tool, but it mimics something a "trader's guild" could have, similar minded people sharing the data they have with each other.
 
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Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
dm0815 said:
It's worth paying attention to the age of the data. The older it gets the more unreliable it becomes. Both sites depend on community contributions to keep it up to date, which isn't easy considering the amount of stations existing in the game.
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Issues with API integration in 3.3 have meant a substantial reduction in the number of market updates being submitted, too. Until that's resolved - which won't be until the new year now - we're going to be down about 90% on the normal volume of shared market data.
 

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
dm0815 said:
It's worth paying attention to the age of the data. The older it gets the more unreliable it becomes. Both sites depend on community contributions to keep it up to date, which isn't easy considering the amount of stations existing in the game.
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The data I went off most of the time was less than an hour old.
I generally ignore anything older than that.
 

Ashnak

Ashnak
How old were those price listings? If before 3.3, ignore them. The BGS was reset, taking with it all "boom" states with their high prices.

If you play on PC and want to do something about this (instead of complaining to the non-existant mnagement), think about running one of the data collection tools in the background, like EDMC or EDDiscovery.
 

dm0815

dm0815
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead said:
The data I went off most of the time was less than an hour old.
I generally ignore anything older than that.
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I'm currently in LHS 2771 - Sarafanov Vision


Prices:


Low Temperature Diamonds - 1,011,549 (correct listing)
Void Opals - 650,723 (Viktorenko Holdings still pays more)

Maybe there are still better prices somewhere else.
 

Arkadi

Arkadi
I am in the Pleiades,

Void Opals sold for 754k
LTD sold for 600k

about an hour ago, station was in investment state

I also used Inara, no problems there. Prices have been approximatly accurate, with data several hours old.
 
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Bran Tse Mallory

Bran Tse Mallory
CMDR Cosmic Spacehead said:
I've been doing a spot of core mining, yesterday I had 78 tonnes of Opel's to sell, and today I had 40 tonnes of Alexandrite and 20 LTDs to sell.

Both times, inara was completely wrong for the selling price.

EDDB doesn't list VOs or Alexandrite, but said LTDs were 600k/t.

When I docked, just 120k/t...

Am I doing something wrong? Does the universe hate me?

Why I no rich...?

I've done atleast 3 hours mining, and quite frankly, 96 million isnt enough. How am I supposed to buy 17 Corvettes? HOW?
I need money to buy PvP skill!

My non existent children are going to starve because of these inaccuracies!
Law suit incoming!
Game is dead.
Something something steam stats.
:p

But in all seriousness, why are they simple never correct. Even if it says "Updated 3 minutes ago"....?
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Because it's you... :D

I am pretty certain by now that there is code in the game which identifies you and decides to be a just so it can force you out of the game and into the forums.

A conspiracy?

Yes.


Just be happy with the 16 Corvettes you already have and get back to mining, you have imagined children to feed!!!
 

DNA-Decay

DNA-Decay
Ian Doncaster said:
Issues with API integration in 3.3 have meant a substantial reduction in the number of market updates being submitted, too. Until that's resolved - which won't be until the new year now - we're going to be down about 90% on the normal volume of shared market data.
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I know you’re hating it because you do a lot of work on API integration for EDDB.
I read your work on GitHub and I can see the scale of effort you guys have to make to keep all the bits of those databases alive and ticking.

But for me - I love it.

I don’t know what dependency the bots had on EDDB and EDSM etc, but while 3.3 has broken that stuff - the bots are gone and it’s like having our game back!

I’m experiencing a lot of frustration with keybindings and new mechanics and the BGS is a mess, but I don’t care -
I can actually PLAY.

I’m not babysitting traffic monitoring accounts and messing about with excel and numpy. The team is busy and vibrant, and full of guesses and experiments. Every day brings a new strategy and a new discovery. I love it.

I know things will settle down and the bots will come back, but in the mean time if a broken API is keeping the bots away, it can stay broken.
 
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Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
DNA-Decay said:
I know you’re hating it because you do a lot of work on API integration for EDDB.
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I likewise have fairly mixed feelings on it.

I think the trading game would be better if you couldn't just go to a 3rd party site and look up "where's the best money today". You *can* get that information from mine, but it's not set up to make it easy because that's not the question I'm trying to answer.

But there's also some really interesting stuff going on with how the commodity markets work, and how they interact with the rest of the BGS, which requires far more data collection than I can do personally to make sense of. Most of my data collection is so I know what the prices were like six weeks ago, which is of no use to any traders. It's unfortunate that it requires less data collection to answer "where can I make a good profit now" than to answer "how are good profits made"

(What I'd like to see is much wider pricing curves based on the supply/demand levels, so trade routes self-neutralised much more quickly if flown in bulk and there were incentives not to share data. But in general when Frontier has added more depth to the trade system it has generally been unpopular, so they would have to be very careful if they did go that way)
 
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