Why many people wish the DLC model would be changed

Probably Frontier does this on a regular basis but I thought of doing this myself so we all get an impression of what animals people want entirely based on this very useful thread by Jeminyne.

If the current 4 habitat animals model continues and we have 2 more years of PZ content (could be a bit more or a bit less) we would end up with only 24 more animals (2 years x 3 DLCs/year x 4 animals/DLC). 24 habitat animals and we would be done.

To support my point, I'll use this ‘Meta-list’ when 24 people had posted a list of animals, from which many of them are active and ‘veteran’ forum users. 24 is a minority, I know, but this sampling size could be somewhat representative. Only one person who replied in this thread posted less than 30 animals. On the other hand, a number of people who posted stated that they had a hard time just choosing 30 animals.

Looking at that meta-wishlist, you can reach your own conclusions.

Mine are that there are 176 animals which are considered absolutely essential by at least one person who posted in the thread. If we extrapolate to all the PZ players, each of these 176 animals would be listed by more people for sure. Even new ‘essential’ animals could show up in the list. And this is all based on the assumption that we won't get a proper birds pack with flying birds. If we do end up getting something like that, the list would grow longer.
Frontier cannot please everyone’s wishes in this regard, even with this sub-sample of the thousands of PZ players, we got 176 new animals which is just too much for Frontier alone (unless they do come up with an ‘Animalmaker’s Toolkit).
However, even if we only count the animals who have been listed at least 4 times (essential animals for 1/6 of the people who posted), those are way more than the 24 we might end up getting with the current DLC model.
And I want to insist that this was only based on one of the hundreds wishlist threads in just this forum. There are thousands of people who don't even check the forum and each of them with their own list of 30 super essential missing animals.

PS: I’m in no way demanding a bigger effort from Frontier staff. After all, they have created one of the most wonderful games I’ve come across and that will surely keep me occupied for many years. Because of this very reason, and because I just want the game to be the best zoo videogame ever (and, why not, the one with more profit) I’m just presenting data about what an important part of the community is requesting. Hopefully some adjustments could be made in order to react to this piece of feedback.

PS2: Thanks @DrAkula87 for bringing up their table format and @Jeminyne for opening the thread where data was taken from.
 
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Wow excellent work, and thanks to Jeminyne for the original post :). Of course they can't please everyone with this huge amount of animals, but the optimistic part of me think we will see an eventual dev kit to let the community add the forgotten animals, i hope 😓. Surely they won't be high Dlc quality but i'm totally fine with it. The pessimistic, instead, think we will get this 24 more animals and stop, end of the line, thanks for playing. Honestly this would be a nightmare.
 
Out of curiosity, I wonder what this list looks like if you take only the animals that were picked ten or more times?
It would go down to 18 animals, from which one of them would be the already added King Penguin:

Meerkat (x18)
Asian small-clawed otter (x15)
White Rhino (x19)
Moose (x17)
Fennec Fox (x17)
Eurasian Lynx (x11)
California Sea Lion (x17)
Asian Leopard (x13)
Black Howler Monkey (x11)
American Alligator (x10)
King penguin (x10)
Puma (x14)
Capybara (x16)
Clouded Leopard (x12)
Lar Gibbon (x13)
Wolverine (x14)
Maned Wolf (x13)
Tasmanian Devil (x10)

Would be surprised not to see all of these animals in the game at some point.
 
It would go down to 18 animals, from which one of them would be the already added King Penguin:

Meerkat (x18)
Asian small-clawed otter (x15)
White Rhino (x19)
Moose (x17)
Fennec Fox (x17)
Eurasian Lynx (x11)
California Sea Lion (x17)
Asian Leopard (x13)
Black Howler Monkey (x11)
American Alligator (x10)
King penguin (x10)
Puma (x14)
Capybara (x16)
Clouded Leopard (x12)
Lar Gibbon (x13)
Wolverine (x14)
Maned Wolf (x13)
Tasmanian Devil (x10)

Would be surprised not to see all of these animals in the game at some point.

Interesting, and a pretty good measure of where Frontier should head in the future. 'Asian leopard' is a bit vague though 😅. Is it the Amur? Persian? Sri Lankan? Indian? Indochinese? South Chinese? North Chinese? Javan? 😆
 
If we assume the 4+1 model continues, with that list of 18 animals you could conceivably cover 8 packs pretty well - you've got Africa, Asia, North America, Freshwater, Saltwater, Europe, Tropics, and Islands, which are all themes that have been discussed here in the past as well. With these themes you'd be able to cover all 18 animals on that list plus pick up a bunch more from the bigger list you originally posted.
 
I know, I just wrote Asian leopard not to over complicate things (it's the same species anyway). I could have even merged it with the African Leopard and go for simpy 'Leopard'.
Anyway, off the top of my head I'd say roughly 9 of them were Amur Leopard, maybe 2 Indian Leopard, 1 Sri Lankan Leopard and 1 Persian Leopard.

I assume, though, that all those who posted x leopard subspecies would consider any Leopard 'essential'.
 
An 'Animal Maker's Toolkit' is also a fascinating concept. Doubtful something like that comes to fruition, of course, but an interesting idea nonetheless. For it to work we would have to know exactly what components go into the animals Frontier is making, including quality and quantity.
 
Only one person who replied in this thread posted less than 30 animals. On the other hand, a number of people who posted stated that they had a hard time just choosing 30 animals.
I think could list 50 random animals easily but the thread "What if each (existing) DLC had 12 animals" - there are some choices everyone had. You can add some more subspecies but i think 1 aquatic pack (not talking about marine/fish) would fill the gap for a lot of people.
 
I don't quite understand what you're trying to say. The concept of that thread is great too but it inherently excludes animals which are not from the Arctic, South America, Australia or Aquatic environments.
Anyway it all came down to choose one representative wishlist thread with as less restrictions as possible and with a reasonable number of animals (and Jeminyne's was a good example of it). Collecting data from multiple threads would simply take too much time. Anyone is free to do so, if desired.
 
Haha, long day at work and 1-hour traffic jam. Need to re-read some other stuff as well :D :D

I meant it was easy to pick 30 random animals but when it comes to something specific like the aquatic pack, it's a lot more difficult.
I think people would struggle to get 20 animals for the aquatic pack without "penguin species #2, penguin species #3)
Same goes with the Arctic pack, adding 2 or 3 more species would be easy but 10 more animals for the Arctic.

Going with more species per pack (the common request):
I'm not sure every theme has good enough options for 10-15 habitat animals. So people can wish for bigger/different DLC models but does every theme warrant a good selection?
Based on conservation, I would say yes. Biomes yes and no. They could go with generic DLC, but building pieces mostly benefit from a strong theme.

While I like to see a European DLC, I think they can provide a good pack with the current DLC model. Not that convinced with a different model.
 
Okay now I understand better!

You have a point. Personally, I think more than 10 animals per DLC could be too much indeed. But even with >10 animals, the DLCs we've had so far are so generic that those missing slots could be filled easily. Even the Arctic pack, now that we have diving mechanics. The player with the most basic knowledge of zoology, could easily name 6 more South American animals that could have made it to the SA DLC.

And then again, all those 'random animals' you mention could be allocated in a wide range of different packs/themes. Of course, at some point this would result in a reduction of building pieces, which is perfectly normal given that there is a finite number of building materials/themes. The number of animals for any videogame is, on the other hand, virtually unlimited, hence why the proposal of a change to the current DLC model: more animals while maintaining or slightly decreasing the number of building pieces. Even the most 'builder' type player (check content creators) generally agree with this statement. We still need more building pieces, but mainly generic, utilitarian zoo props and decoration.
 
It would go down to 18 animals, from which one of them would be the already added King Penguin:

Meerkat (x18)
Asian small-clawed otter (x15)
White Rhino (x19)
Moose (x17)
Fennec Fox (x17)
Eurasian Lynx (x11)
California Sea Lion (x17)
Asian Leopard (x13)
Black Howler Monkey (x11)
American Alligator (x10)
King penguin (x10)
Puma (x14)
Capybara (x16)
Clouded Leopard (x12)
Lar Gibbon (x13)
Wolverine (x14)
Maned Wolf (x13)
Tasmanian Devil (x10)

Would be surprised not to see all of these animals in the game at some point.


Those animal species are all very popular and should definitely be added to the game, but there is so much more, no baboons, no primate diversity, almost not a single new ungulate species o_O We need more ungulates, antelopes, deers, buffalos, gosh I need my Gaur. Where is the binturong? the tamandua? the tree kangaroo? the African crested porcupine ? no ocelot? Serval ? red fox ? Racoon dog? Ratel? wait not a single bird????????????????? I think that was a lot of dead people voting, I demand a recount.
 
Those animal species are all very popular and should definitely be added to the game, but there is so much more, no baboons, no primate diversity, almost not a single new ungulate species o_O We need more ungulates, antelopes, deers, buffalos, gosh I need my Gaur. Where is the binturong? the tamandua? the tree kangaroo? the African crested porcupine ? no ocelot? Serval ? red fox ? Racoon dog? Ratel? wait not a single bird????????????????? I think that was a lot of dead people voting, I demand a recount.
Re-read the OP and check the 'Spoiler'! ;)

That list you quoted is only of those animals chosen by >10 people on Jeminyne's thread, as NZFanatic requested.
 
Re-read the OP and check the 'Spoiler'! ;)

That list you quoted is only of those animals chosen by >10 people on Jeminyne's thread, as NZFanatic requested.


lol, yeah just seen it. In all seriousness I hope we get all of them. We will definitely need many years of support at the current DLC rate, but at some point they will want to release Planet Zoo 2 and that will derailed everything again.
 
With the addition of water mechanics and soon aviary I really don’t see a need for a PZ2. This would be enough of a moneymaker in itself. Planco on the other hand needs a sequel as a lot of the requested features are possible to some scale in planet zoo. Same with jwe or if frontier wanted to break away and make a much more appealing planet dinosaur(to me at least)there’s now so many features to improve that game.
 
You have a point. Personally, I think more than 10 animals per DLC could be too much indeed. But even with >10 animals, the DLCs we've had so far are so generic that those missing slots could be filled easily. Even the Arctic pack, now that we have diving mechanics. The player with the most basic knowledge of zoology, could easily name 6 more South American animals that could have made it to the SA DLC.
Not convinced about the arctic one. :D

I think most of this relies on the content of the free DLC. I could see an increase in more animal content in paid DLC when they are done with all extra features in the free updates. The free updates would only be tweaking/bug fixing/performance.
 
Holy cow, there went A LOT of afford into this thread. I hope it makes it into one of Frontiers weekly round ups. Of course the numbres of participants are a bit low, but in my opinion it's still useful to see a pattern.
 
For me, it is essential to have smaller animals in order to vary the size of the pens

I really hope for Meerkats, Coati, Binturong, Sun Bear, Fennec and more
 
Thanks for counting! The format bothered me, so I sorted everything with 5+ votes. (And THEN I saw you did it for the 10+ votes ones... 🙃 But oh well, already did it so here ya go.)

RankAnimalVotes
1​
White Rhino
19​
2​
Meerkat
18​
3​
Moose
17​
3​
Fennec Fox
17​
3​
California Sea Lion
17​
6​
Capybara
16​
7​
Asian small-clawed otter
15​
8​
Puma/Cougar/Mountain Lion
14​
8​
Wolverine
14​
10​
Alpine Ibex
13​
10​
Asian Leopard
13​
10​
Lar Gibbon
13​
10​
Maned Wolf
13​
14​
Clouded Leopard
12​
15​
Eurasian Lynx
11​
15​
Black Howler Monkey
11​
17​
American Alligator
10​
17​
Tasmanian Devil
10​
19​
Three Toed Sloth
9​
19​
Binturong
9​
19​
Fossa
9​
19​
Secretary Bird
9​
19​
Dromedary
9​
19​
Grey Crowned Crane
9​
19​
Black Rhino
9​
26​
Malayan Tapir
8​
26​
Przewalski's Horse
8​
28​
Walrus
7​
28​
Red deer
7​
28​
North American Beaver
7​
28​
Emu
7​
32​
Cape penguin
6​
32​
Red River Hog
6​
32​
Arctic Fox
6​
32​
Red Fox
6​
32​
Hamadryas baboon
6​
32​
Common Wombat
6​
32​
Takin
6​
32​
Iberian Lynx
6​
32​
Sun Bear
6​
41​
Sika Deer
5​
41​
Harbor Seal
5​
41​
Blackbuck
5​
41​
Helmeted Guinea Fowl
5​
41​
Babirusa
5​
41​
Addax
5​
 
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