Why there isn't African leopard in planet zoo ???

[MarcB096]

I really hate to burst your bubble but unfortunately development will need to end eventually, and with some information we know what we have 12 DLC's confirmed, which leaves only two on the table, meanwhile we're not sure whether or not it'll be extended past there.

Either way, seeing another leopard subspecies (Clouded Leopard and Snow Leopard not included, completely different species) would take away from such valuable slots. I know you think that it's all virtual, but Frontier is a business after all, and with each DLC goes in a lot of investment of resources, money, etc. An Amur Leopard makes a fine stand-in for an African Leopard, so much to the fact that many zoo's around the world have actually substituted them in their African sections due to the conservation value of Amurs being much greater than Africans, as well as the fact that, well, they look pretty much the same. Plus, if you really want to have the specific African Leopard, I'm sure Nexus has you covered for that.

I think it'd be silly to ask for a subspecies of one that we already have in a DLC - that'd be likewise to asking for the Bornean Clouded Leopard, or the Tien Shan Dhole.

Not to mention there's a lot more "niches" of animals to cover instead of getting another Pantherid. We still don't have Tree Kangaroos, Porcupines, Sloths, any other bird really, and I think that these as represented by the Meta-Wishlist go a long way as to showing that there's still a lot more animals that should be addressed with the limited amount of time that we have left with the game.

I don't understand why they should have a fix date when to end the devellopement or a fix amount of planned content....I mean, there are companies that are still updating their games after a much longer time (SCS Software for example is still updating the ETS2 since it's release 2012....and also with new DLCs)...and if the game makes profit why would a company stop that while it's making profit....Other example...Minecraft was released in 2011 and there is no sign, that the updating process could end soon ..while the release of Planet Zoo was end of 2019

 

[becks474]

I don't understand why they should have a fix date when to end the devellopement or a fix amount of planned content....I mean, there are companies that are still updating their games after a much longer time (SCS Software for example is still updating the ETS2 since it's release 2012....and also with new DLCs)...and if the game makes profit why would a company stop that while it's making profit....Other example...Minecraft was released in 2011 and there is no sign, that the updating process could end soon ..while the release of Planet Zoo was end of 2019

There is no fix date when support ends. We know by datamining that there at least 2 further DLCs planned because there are Folders for DLC 11 and DLC 12. in my opinion this does not mean at the moment that support really will end afterwards. I think that Frontier has 1 year in forward Plans. So perhaps Folders 13-16 will be integrated within the next months. but that support somewhen will end is also a truth. At the latest when there is no financial benefit from new packs because they are not bought enough.

Personally I think that the chances we will get support in 2023 are good. Especially after the 2 packs we got this year I am even more convincrd. But there are also other voices within the Forum. But I must say I would also say that an African Leopard is somehow a "Wasted" Pick in a regular DLC and I would prefer the three small cats Ocelot, Caracal and Serval if we should get further cats. An other thing would be if we should get a clone pack (in my opinion this would be a very good closing pack for us hardcore fans at the end of support with about 12 easy to make animals).

 

[DarthQuell]

There is no fix date when support ends. We know by datamining that there at least 2 further DLCs planned because there are Folders for DLC 11 and DLC 12. in my opinion this does not mean at the moment that support really will end afterwards. I think that Frontier has 1 year in forward Plans. So perhaps Folders 13-16 will be integrated within the next months. but that support somewhen will end is also a truth. At the latest when there is no financial benefit from new packs because they are not bought enough.

Personally I think that the chances we will get support in 2023 are good. Especially after the 2 packs we got this year I am even more convincrd. But there are also other voices within the Forum. But I must say I would also say that an African Leopard is somehow a "Wasted" Pick in a regular DLC and I would prefer the three small cats Ocelot, Caracal and Serval if we should get further cats. An other thing would be if we should get a clone pack (in my opinion this would be a very good closing pack for us hardcore fans at the end of support with about 12 easy to make animals).

Plus, shouldn't we consider the free updates? Realistically, how much more could they add?

 

[becks474]

Plus, shouldn't we consider the free updates? Realistically, how much more could they add?

I do not see so much problems with this. Frontier could also give us only animal packs without free Updates and scenery at the end time of support. This saves ressources and money.

 

[DarthQuell]

I do not see so much problems with this. Frontier could also give us only animal packs without free Updates and scenery at the end time of support. This saves ressources and money.

That's ideal, in my opinion

 

[XT]

The assumptions on when support will end are based on data mining, as well as Frontier's business practices. PZ is still profitable but it also depends on what new work they have planned for the company - developers and techs working on PZ are not working on other things. No one knows for sure when support will end but it will end and, with that in mind, people are (hoping/predicting/theorizing) on what's the best use of remaining resources. The fact that we like PZ and it continues to be moderately profitable doesn't mean they'll extend it's life past the planned end date - it'd have to be crazy popular to get them to change their plans and I have no idea if it's reached that level of popularity, but I suspect not.

Everyone has different opinions obv. I tend to prefer they concentrate on new, different species - for one thing, once the official support ends, any new content will depend on modders and the more rigs and resources they have, the more animals we can have from them.

 

[NZFanatic]

There is no fix date when support ends. We know by datamining that there at least 2 further DLCs planned because there are Folders for DLC 11 and DLC 12. in my opinion this does not mean at the moment that support really will end afterwards. I think that Frontier has 1 year in forward Plans. So perhaps Folders 13-16 will be integrated within the next months. but that support somewhen will end is also a truth. At the latest when there is no financial benefit from new packs because they are not bought enough.

To add to this, what we pretty much know is that Frontier plans their content based on financial years. DLC12 will be Christmas this year, but then after that Frontier will likely reveal what they're planning for the next financial year. They'll never say how long they plan on continuing support for, or what exactly the continued support will look like, and the hard truth is they probably won't actually tell us when support as ended - this is what happened with Planet Coaster, after all; there was no "we're finished" announcement, they just stopped releasing updates.

 

[AlexSea]

To add to this, what we pretty much know is that Frontier plans their content based on financial years. DLC12 will be Christmas this year, but then after that Frontier will likely reveal what they're planning for the next financial year. They'll never say how long they plan on continuing support for, or what exactly the continued support will look like, and the hard truth is they probably won't actually tell us when support as ended - this is what happened with Planet Coaster, after all; there was no "we're finished" announcement, they just stopped releasing updates.

Same thing happened with Jurassic World Evolution. There wasn't an official announcement that support was ending, it just ended. Frontier really should be more transparent about that sort of thing tbh.

 

[NZFanatic]

Same thing happened with Jurassic World Evolution. There wasn't an official announcement that support was ending, it just ended. Frontier really should be more transparent about that sort of thing tbh.

Well, at least with JWE a sequel announcement came pretty quickly. Coaster just died and then got a sub-par console release, despite how popular it was.

 

[Kolikokoli]

Same thing happened with Jurassic World Evolution. There wasn't an official announcement that support was ending, it just ended. Frontier really should be more transparent about that sort of thing tbh.

Whatever happens I hope it won't have the same fate as Planet Coaster - basically abandoning whole project for PC and only focusing on the same content for consoles. It's ok if PZ ends, but it would be much better if there was PZ 2 on the sight as well.

 

[Doran]

Whatever happens I hope it won't have the same fate as Planet Coaster - basically abandoning whole project for PC and only focusing on the same content for consoles. It's ok if PZ ends, but it would be much better if there was PZ 2 on the sight as well

Best in the world would be releasing PZ2 both on PC and console at the same time.

 

[NZFanatic]

Whatever happens I hope it won't have the same fate as Planet Coaster - basically abandoning whole project for PC and only focusing on the same content for consoles. It's ok if PZ ends, but it would be much better if there was PZ 2 on the sight as well.

It's really hard to guess whether they'll do a console release at all. There is some demand for it but it's pretty clear by now that their PC market is the cornerstone. A sequel makes more sense to me, but of course I'm not a financier of any sort.

 

[NZFanatic]

Best in the world would be releasing PZ2 both on PC and console at the same time.

Considering how watered down the console release for Coaster was I don't think they'd be the same game.

 

[Doran]

Considering how watered down the console release for Coaster was I don't think they'd be the same game

Whats exactly wrong with console port of Coaster? Just building limit and lack of user-made stuff or something more?

 

[NZFanatic]

Whats exactly wrong with console port of Coaster? Just building limit and lack of user-made stuff or something more?

I'm pretty sure it's not nearly as intuitive as the original was. The building aspect yes, pathing, less overall content, smaller parks because of the limitations of consoles, that sort of thing. It wasn't so much 'ported over' to console as it was remade for it. Compare JWE to PZ, something like that as I understand it (except a little better).

 

[Doran]

I guess solution would be not releasing it on ps4, but then most of console players are using it. A though situation. CD Projekt Red tried to force game to run on old gen and whole game was pure comedy.

 

[Kolikokoli]

It's ok if its on consoles. But don't abandon pc version completely because consoles have priority rn. There wasn't anything for planco for pc for years now

 

[Kung Fu Ferret]

African leopards aren't very common in zoos here in the States either, Amur leopards are almost certainly the most common subspecies in captivity in the US as well as Europe.

 

[DrBurrito]

African leopards aren't very common in zoos here in the States either, Amur leopards are almost certainly the most common subspecies in captivity in the US as well as Europe.

I reckon people want the African leopard simply for its nostalgic value being featured in older zoo sims, as well as completing Africa's big five. Otherwise it would be one of the last leopards of choice for a realistic zoo sim, when you look purely at holdings.

Here's the current stats on the EAZA holdings for Panthera pardus, according to Zootierliste, as of 14/06/2022:

1. Leopards with no subspecific status - 73 EAZA holdings
2. Amur leopard - 63 EAZA holdings, 28 of which are EU holdings
3. Persian leopard - 41 EAZA holdings, 31 of which are EU holdings
4. Sri Lankan leopard - 31 EAZA holdings, 27 of which are EU holdings
5. North Chinese leopard - 29 EAZA holdings, 27 of which are EU holdings
6. African leopard* - 5 EAZA holdings, all of which are EU holdings
7. Arabian leopard - 4 EAZA holdings, none of which are EU holdings
8. Javan leopard - 4 EAZA holdings, all of which are EU holdings
9. Indian leopard - 2 EAZA holdings, one from Germany, the other from the UK

*A combination of African leopard (no subspecific status) and Central African leopard holdings.

Although I must admit I'm seeing a recent trend towards more EU zoos keeping African leopards as of late, than say compared to the last decade. Only time will tell whether this is by coincidence or an actual shift in demand.

 

[Doran]

For zootierliste its: