General / Off-Topic Why trump won

[Leper Messiah]

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This is EXACTLY right, never have I heard so much truth!! I USED to be left wing, but the left has become EXACTLY what this chap says here.

 

[Minonian]

In short? People had enough of the liberals and their media.

 

[Toumal]

Wrong. He won because of Memberberries.

 

[Leper Messiah]

In short? People had enough of the liberals and their media.

Not just that, it's the intolerance of other peoples opinions, no matter how it is made (it is just like in that vid). Yes there are racists and scum, they are allowed to vote after all, but those types vote for all sorts of parties and not exclusively the right wing. It doesn't mean everyone who votes right wing is a racist scum bag. It's ironic that variations of that thought are CORE to many a Liberals beliefs. Yet they manifest the same bigotry they claim to fight.

 

[Ian Skippy]

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This is EXACTLY right, never have I heard so much truth!! I USED to be left wing, but the left has become EXACTLY what this chap says here.

Here's a healthy tip for everyone: Dont be part of any wing, left or right. And if you do, stop automatically assuming that whoever is not in your current wing is a horrible, evil, soulless piece of garbage. Most importantly, try to engage enough of your braincells to work out for yourself that any 'this the is the one reason a very complex process went the way it did' is just a shortcut for simpletons to avoid having to think about it. If that is beyond one's capabilities, then just go with this one:"Trump won because he got more EC votes." That one is at least true.

Another minor tip: do not use more than one exclamation point per sentence. Its the international callsign of those who prefer yelling over thinking.

Minor remark: Anyone who still thinks in terms of 'left vs right' should go back to the 18th century or get themselves together. Its another cheap shortcut to allow you to sit back and fire your prefab 'us vs them' rhetoric. You'll also be less surprised when you discover that candidate X or Y after being elected turns out to be less 'left/right' than you expected...

 

[FuzzySpider]

Not just that, it's the intolerance of other peoples opinions, no matter how it is made (it is just like in that vid).

Because Trump "Mexicans are rapists, ban Muslims, women are bleeding from the whatever, lock up my opponent" is as tolerant as they come.

Here is what the result would look like with just the millennials voting:

Trump won because this is the final, last, desperate gasp of people who want to go back to how it used to be before they were told they had to share the country (and indeed the planet) with other people who don't look like them, talk like them, or act like them. This is the death throes of later day racism, homophobia, and xenophobia trying desperately to survive the horrific realization that the next generation are almost certainly going to be better than this.

 

[Minonian]

Not just that, it's the intolerance of other peoples opinions, no matter how it is made (it is just like in that vid). Yes there are racists and scum, they are allowed to vote after all, but those types vote for all sorts of parties and not exclusively the right wing. It doesn't mean everyone who votes right wing is a racist scum bag. It's ironic that variations of that thought are CORE to many a Liberals beliefs. Yet they manifest the same bigotry they claim to fight.

Yeah, the usual Liberal in the name of freedom...

Edit The old joke; Vote Liberal or we'll shoot your dog.

Actually someone did that in my home in 2014 with a knife and a cat as an election campaign poster she tough it was funny.

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In a second poster she also undressed to half naked and promised if they win shows the rest. The best joke? After all of this she became a blood eyed fenimist.

 

[xondk]

In short? People had enough of the liberals and their media.

Personally I think everyone is calling liberal left right and center, without knowing what liberal actually is.
America's wish for 'freedom' is actually a liberal thing...just...saying, there is significantly more to it then 'just liberal' it is convenient labels tossed around, when there is significantly more to it then just that word.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Personally I think everyone is calling liberal left right and center, without knowing what liberal actually is.
America's wish for 'freedom' is actually a liberal thing...just...saying, there is significantly more to it then 'just liberal'

Partly because the words dont mean the same thing in different places. People from countries that we behind the iron curtain have very different images of 'social policies' than say, the netherlands. We think of affordable healthcare and proper education for all. In different countries they think of work camps and firing squads. In the Netherlands the liberals right of the center (based on the ideas they prefer liberty over government influence), in the States the party of the left are called liberals. Same with 'christian' for example. Many americans call themselves and their values 'Christian', but to many people not from the US that seems a bit at odd with, well, everything in the new testament.

Which is why reasonable people in a reasonable debate occasionally ask the other person to define the terms they used so all are on the same page. In politics and religion there are very few reasonable people or debates, so we have what you see in the above: people ranting and insulting half the population based on vague ideas never fully explored. Its one of the telltale signs of the mentally lazy: railing against undefined, unnamed groups of people (the elite, the left, the jews, the illuminati, the whatever), apparantly blaming 'them' (whoever they are) for everything that is bad. Its not new, the ancient Greek and Romans already experienced this, and it generally takes the same shape every time.

 

[L0CI]

Personally I think everyone is calling liberal left right and center, without knowing what liberal actually is.
America's wish for 'freedom' is actually a liberal thing...just...saying, there is significantly more to it then 'just liberal' it is convenient labels tossed around, when there is significantly more to it then just that word.

Precisely. Neither of the main parties in both the USA and UK could be remotely considered liberal by true definition.

 

[Minonian]

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Liberity means fredom.
Liberalism is one political ideology. You mix up these two.

 

[L0CI]

Liberity means fredom.
Liberalism is one political ideology. You mix up these two.

So now we're arguing over the definition of liberalism when sleutelbos has already explained this point perfectly well. Great. xondk isn't wrong at all.

 

[xondk]

Liberity means fredom.
Liberalism is one political ideology. You mix up these two.

Liberty is a synonym for freedom.
Liberalism is an ideology, yup, let me quote though, the first line in wikipedia's description of it, and also then the dictionary.

Wikipedia: Liberalism.

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.

that's the first line.

Dictionary: Liberalism.

a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.

So yeah....I do not have it mixed up...perhaps you do?

 

[verminstar]

Because Trump "Mexicans are rapists, ban Muslims, women are bleeding from the whatever, lock up my opponent" is as tolerant as they come.

Here is what the result would look like with just the millennials voting:

https://cdn.studentmoneysaver.co.uk/uploads/12585/MillenialVoteMap.jpg

Trump won because this is the final, last, desperate gasp of people who want to go back to how it used to be before they were told they had to share the country (and indeed the planet) with other people who don't look like them, talk like them, or act like them. This is the death throes of later day racism, homophobia, and xenophobia trying desperately to survive the horrific realization that the next generation are almost certainly going to be better than this.

And you are a prime example of the point the op is trying to make...your insulting rhetoric is a part of the problem because as the video points out, the insults dont work and attitudes like yours were part of the reason ye lost brexit and now trump. When will you learn? Yer throwing out insults at a helluva lotta people because you lack the conviction to respect the views of others. Technically,that makes you a bigot. Ye dont have to like or even agree, but tyhrowing insults out just inflames the situation making it worse...stop and think man!

 

[Minonian]

So now we're arguing over the definition of liberalism when sleutelbos has already explained this point perfectly well. Great. xondk isn't wrong at all.

That's right we do arguing about it.

You know why? because you don't have to be a liberal to accept and cheris freedom and it's values.
But they actually think you do! And that's the real problem behind all the going on in america.

 

[Minonian]

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No I'm not mixed up hovewer? Liberals mixing up. And this is the problem. See above.

 

[Patrick_68000]

And you are a prime example of the point the op is trying to make...your insulting rhetoric is a part of the problem because as the video points out, the insults dont work and attitudes like yours were part of the reason ye lost brexit and now trump. When will you learn? Yer throwing out insults at a helluva lotta people because you lack the conviction to respect the views of others. Technically,that makes you a bigot. Ye dont have to like or even agree, but tyhrowing insults out just inflames the situation making it worse...stop and think man!

This is the eternal intolerance of the bad losers

 

[Minonian]

Liberalism is just a smaller pile within the bigger pile of democracy.
But liberals saying if you are not a liberal (part of the smaller pile) you are not democrat. (you can't be the part of the bigger pile either) but a racist, dictator, fascist, whatsever.

Logical fallacies in there;

Fallacy of composition
-with exclusion of the bigger pile if you are not part of the smaller. this is just the facade affront the good old if you are not with us, than against us mentality.

And racist card. (Reductio ad Hitlerum, demonization)

 

[FuzzySpider]

And you are a prime example of the point the op is trying to make...your insulting rhetoric is a part of the problem because as the video points out, the insults dont work and attitudes like yours were part of the reason ye lost brexit and now trump. When will you learn? Yer throwing out insults at a helluva lotta people because you lack the conviction to respect the views of others. Technically,that makes you a bigot. Ye dont have to like or even agree, but tyhrowing insults out just inflames the situation making it worse...stop and think man!

In the 2016 election, a wide gap in presidential preferences emerged between those with and without a college degree. College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980. For example, in 2012, there was hardly any difference between the two groups: College graduates backed Obama over Romney by 50%-48%, and those without a college degree also supported Obama 51%-47%.

Among whites, Trump won an overwhelming share of those without a college degree; and among white college graduates – a group that many identified as key for a potential Clinton victory – Trump outperformed Clinton by a narrow 4-point margin.

Trump’s margin among whites without a college degree is the largest among any candidate in exit polls since 1980. Two-thirds (67%) of non-college whites backed Trump, compared with just 28% who supported Clinton, resulting in a 39-point advantage for Trump among this group. In 2012 and 2008, non-college whites also preferred the Republican over the Democratic candidate but by less one-sided margins (61%-36% and 58%-40%, respectively).

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...s-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

It's pretty much like Brexit all over again.

I appreciate that a lot of people feel left behind, but my sympathy for them evaporates when they elect the likes of Trump (a racist demagogue who wants to throw immigrants out).

Like it or not, you're part of the elite. You have a life of unparalleled luxury compared to the vast majority of the human population on this planet. Many of them come here or try to get to the USA to make a better life for themselves - and the response is to try to stop them? Then to complain about "elites" hoarding all the wealth and not sharing it with your demographic?

As I have said elsewhere, I don't really care anymore. My lifeboat is in. I have a way out of this.

 

[Mephane]

As I have said elsewhere, I don't really care anymore. My lifeboat is in. I have a way out of this.

So you already got a ticket on one of the first flights of SpaceX's Mars colony ships? Only semi-jesting here, because when people like Trump start sabotaging the (already possibly insufficient) efforts to limit global warming, it'll be a problem for the whole planet.