Why was I attacked ? Help me understand.

[Dable]

Hi All,

So, I just got blown up by Weitz Refinery in Ladon and I'm really not understanding why..

I had been earning Merits for Li Yong-Rui by assassinating Private Security belonging to Zemina Torval. I racked up just under 200k bounty from two separate factions (I was undermining in two different systems) and when I was heading back to Lambava to hand in my Merits, I decided to stop in at Weitz Refinery and see if I could pay off my bounties at the Interstellar Factors there even though I was pretty sure I would not be able to.

Upon dropping into the station, I was given some warning and fired upon almost immediately, I was still about 5-6km from the station, I tried to pull around and make a break for it but I was destroyed.
To be honest, in my panic I did not pay much attention to the warning message and I can't recall what was said but I feel like it was more of a statement than a warning like as in "We are shooting you because of this" rather than "You're breaking the rules, comply or we will shoot".

Now, the thing that gets me is, Weitz Refinery is in Li Yong-Rui space and neither of the Factions that had given me the bounties were based there, soooo why was I attacked ?
Surely I'm not being played by Li Yong where I go kill his enemies and when i return to him he claims the bounty on my head !

The two factions that put bounties on me are, EG Union and East India Company.

I have logs enabled and I'm going to try and look at them to see what I can see because this just doesn't feel right. Maybe I missed something but as far as I am aware the only other thing I had was a 900cr fine.

I did have a 5min video buffer I could have hit save on but I was annoyed and just quit out of the game haha, I wish I saved it but oh well I guess.. It would have been a big help in figuring out what happened exactly.

If anyone has any idea or some insight into why this might have happened so 1) I don't feel a bit ripped off and 2) So I can try avoid it in the future, it would be greatly appreciated.

 

[VampyreGTX]

A bounty hunter most likely jumped in with you and scanned you prior to you getting in the no fire zone.

 

[patttiat]

you were wanted, thats it.
if you have a inactive bounty, it become active again by geting scanned

 

[Dable]

So, the power that sanctions me killing their enemies will kill me for killing their enemies ? .... lol seems pretty crappy

 

[VampyreGTX]

No, it's nothing to do with the station, odds are it was an NPC bounty hunter, solely out to claim the bounty on you.

 

[Dable]

No, it's nothing to do with the station, odds are it was an NPC bounty hunter, solely out to claim the bounty on you.

Well it does have something to do with the station because that is what fired on me ....

EDIT: It was not another ship that attacked me, it was the station, the station is in Li Yong-Rui space.. it says Allied Power when i jump there.

 

[VampyreGTX]

Well it does have something to do with the station because that is what fired on me ....

EDIT: It was not another ship that attacked me, it was the station, the station is in Li Yong-Rui space.. it says Allied Power when i jump there.

Not necessarily! If you weren't wanted in that system, the station may not have been firing on you. If it was a bounty hunter that fired on you, THEY would have become immediately wanted in the system as you were clean in this system. That would have resulted in the station opening fire at them (in your direction). Depending on the BH'er's loadout and your loadout, it's possible they finished you off before the station took care of them.

Are you able to check your log to see if it shows who killed you exactly? I'm not 100% how it reads with NPC deaths.

The station should have had no reason to fire on you, unless you are at a very negative % rep with the Federation (the station is owned by a Fed faction).

 

[Dable]

Not necessarily! If you weren't wanted in that system, the station may not have been firing on you. If it was a bounty hunter that fired on you, THEY would have become immediately wanted in the system as you were clean in this system. That would have resulted in the station opening fire at them (in your direction). Depending on the BH'er's loadout and your loadout, it's possible they finished you off before the station took care of them.

Are you able to check your log to see if it shows who killed you exactly? I'm not 100% how it reads with NPC deaths.

The station should have had no reason to fire on you, unless you are at a very negative % rep with the Federation (the station is owned by a Fed faction).

That's what is doing my head in about it !! lol .. It probably is some type thing that you are describing because it just doesn't add up but I strongly feel that I died too quickly for it to have been another ship.

I am trying to figure out how to read the log files or perhaps i need a 3rd party app like i have seen mentioned on here before.

 

[CMDR Tom D]

It would be because you have a bounty or a dormant bounty in the jurisdiction of the station owner. In jurisdiction would be the station owner faction bounty, or the station owner alliengence superpower bounty, i.e. a federation bounty and the station owner happens to be aligned with that superpower.
Otherwise, it's a bug I've reported myself where by stations randomly mark you as hostile for no definable reason. (tends to occur when you have a bounty in another jurisdiction)

If that's what it seems like to you bug report it and submit a ticket.

 

[VampyreGTX]

ED Discovery is a great app for monitoring your log data.

 

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[CAPT. Ho Chi Minge]

From the logs it looks like security saw something they didnt like, did you fire on the bounty hunter before a scan? Or if you are wanted then the bounty ship is free to engage you without becoming wanted himself?, generally happens when you get a bounty from another system and the hunter attacks you in a system you arent wanted in, so he then becomes wanted and you are free to engage him without incident.

 

[Dable]

From the logs it looks like security saw something they didnt like, did you fire on the bounty hunter before a scan? Or if you are wanted then the bounty ship is free to engage you without becoming wanted himself?, generally happens when you get a bounty from another system and the hunter attacks you in a system you arent wanted in, so he then becomes wanted and you are free to engage him without incident.

I didn't fire on anything in Ladon and i wasn't wanted, just the bounties already mentioned. The Factions that issued the bounties are not present in Ladon.

 

[CAPT. Ho Chi Minge]

I didn't fire on anything in Ladon and i wasn't wanted, just the bounties already mentioned. The Factions that issued the bounties are not present in Ladon.

Sorry i just dont know then why the system cops would treat you as an aggressor , at 9:53:09 the bounty hunter mesages you the 13 seconds later the cops picked up on something and message you "crime detected".. from the logs it only escalates from then on.

 

[I PORKCH0P I]

I'm not familiar with weitz refinery but if it's on a planet you could of been hit by the skimmer bug.

 

[Dable]

Sorry i just dont know then why the system cops would treat you as an aggressor , at 9:53:09 the bounty hunter mesages you the 13 seconds later the cops picked up on something and message you "crime detected".. from the logs it only escalates from then on.

All good, I have made back the merits I lost and I'm just gonna not worry about it now. It sucked but oh well.

 

[Aashenfox]

You attacked Nick Slippy Williams, right? In my experience there is only one trigger for the message 'you are so dead now', and that is if you hit him with weapons fire. If you did that close to the station, there is your answer.

Looking at your log, this seems to be the sequence of events... You drop in, the bounty hunter is waiting for you at the station. he comms you that he's going to kill you. 13 seconds later the police SEE you commit a crime. This is unlikely to have been a bug, something happened. Did you attack the bounty hunter in the no fire zone? Or did your point defence shoot down one of his missiles in the no fire zone? Bounty Hunters are not always wanted, you have to be careful. If he was a legit bounty hunter after your legit bounty, you are not allowed to shoot back without committing a crime, you gotta run or face another bounty. If you defended yourself against a BH that wasn't wanted, you committed a crime in the station's space.

 

[Jukelo]

Stations don't shoot at wanted ships. They only shoot at ships they see, in the current instance, commiting a crime. They'll even forget about it if you go back to supercruise or log off and back on.
Police ships will shoot at wanted ships, but usually they're too slow to scan you, and they don't stray 5-6km away from the station anyway, they patrol in a tight circle around the entrance as you enter the instance.

 

[Aashenfox]

Stations don't shoot at wanted ships. They only shoot at ships they see, in the current instance, commiting a crime. They'll even forget about it if you go back to supercruise or log off and back on.
Police ships will shoot at wanted ships, but usually they're too slow to scan you, and they don't stray 5-6km away from the station anyway, they patrol in a tight circle around the entrance as you enter the instance.

Yep, and you can tell from the log that he committed some crime in the instance from the police comms, no doubt the station saw it too.

 

[Dable]

I did not attack anyone at Ladon or do anything except drop out of supercruise and head towards the station getting ready to submit a docking request, like I said I was heading there for the IFS.

I don't have firing set to deploy my hardpoints so I know I didn't accidentialy fire my weapons or delpoy them.

I know this is a complex game and I admit I do not understand all the going ons within the simulation but I know a bit more than nothing and I stand by what I am saying as I believe it is 100% true. I would not have bothered to make a post on here otherwise. That being said, there has to be some reason why what happened occured.

Nick Slippy Williams probably followed me from where I was undermining, yes, but that doesnt explain the station security attacking me.