Why weren't Olorotitan and Troodon saved for the Cretaceous dino pack?

mysterydiseased

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I very much appreciate that Frontier snuck in a new dino set so soon after the expansion DLC. That's super cool. I want to make that clear before someone accuses me of "whining" here. [big grin]

LordTrilobite said it best in another thread. Troodon and Olorotitan (both Cretaceous era) are being held hostage within the hybrids expansion DLC. Why weren't they saved for this Cretaceous dino pack? 5 new dinos is a nice round number, and I refuse to purchase the SoDW DLC because it's hybrid themed and silly hybrids can go take a super long hike out of the 'Jurassic' universe.

Is there any chance that the 2 said dinos will ever be made available in a future updated Cretaceous dino pack?
 
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Crobek

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I'm surprised people need to ask, but the answer is fairly obvious. It's to give people an incentive to buy the Dr Woo DLC.

If you want those dinos you have to cough up.
 

okxt2jzdjsrz

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Another thread started by somebody who won't buy something they want just because it also happens to include something optional they don't want...
 

mysterydiseased

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okxt2jzdjsrz said:
Another thread started by somebody who won't buy something they want just because it also happens to include something optional they don't want...
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To unlock Olorotitan and Troodon, doesn't it require the player to complete Dr. Wu Missions? That's not optional.

And besides that, supporting the continued encouragement of adding more hybrids to the game with my wallet isn't happening. That only tells Frontier "Wow, hybrids are super popular! Let's make more and more and more!". I would like to have everything in that expansion except for the hybrids and the storyline. The hybrids should always be sold separately, imo.
 
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Crobek said:
I'm surprised people need to ask, but the answer is fairly obvious. It's to give people an incentive to buy the Dr Woo DLC.
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Frontier kind of shot themselves in the foot a little, so to speak. There are many that would have liked Olorotitan and Troodon on their roster, but refuse to pay for hybrids, especially $15. With the Cretaceous pack, I'm already reading comments elsewhere of players who won't buy it because it's just 3 dinosaurs, even if it's just $4.99. Had Olorotitan and Troodon also been included, that's more incentive, which equals more sales there, and it's appropriately themed. Everyone wins.
 

AngrySaltire

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Or they could leave the Olorotitan and troodon in the SoDW expansion, and then add in a few other new dinos into the Cretaceous Dino pack to bulk it up, since the oloro and troodon were 'incentives' to buy the SoDW DLC. They shouldnt have the same unlocks across the different DLCs. Personally I have no issues with the hybrids. Enjoyed the SoDW DLC and I have also bought the new DLC.
 

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mysterydiseased said:
There are many that would have liked Olorotitan and Troodon on their roster, but refuse to pay for hybrids, especially $15. With the Cretaceous pack, I'm already reading comments elsewhere of players who won't buy it because it's just 3 dinosaurs, even if it's just $4.99.
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Citation needed.

Seriously, I read this forum, the discord, the steam forums and the subreddit. If this is happening, it isn't in any place that matters.
 
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mysterydiseased

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Funderbunk said:
Citation needed.

Seriously, I read this forum, the discord, the steam forums and the subreddit. If this is happening, it isn't in any place that matters.
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Over at the JWE sub-reddit. It's not an uproar or anything like that, but there are some comments there having an issue with the value of the pack. I'm more on the fence about it right now, but I would've been all over it if the other 2 dinosaurs had been included here.
 
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mysterydiseased said:
Over at the JWE sub-reddit. It's not an uproar or anything like that, but there are some comments there having an issue with the value of the pack. I'm more on the fence about it right now, but I would've been all over it if the other 2 dinosaurs had been included here.
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I understand the concern about the cost. 5 dinosaurs for $5 seems like a magic deal; however, from the deluxe edition dinosaurs we see that Frontier values their dino's somewhere around the $2 to $2.50 range. Based off of that, the maths for 3 for $5 doesn't seem bad. Added that it includes at least some animations seems like a better deal to me.

Naturally, it's all subjective. Some games I own push out cosmetics for a couple bucks, and sometimes I get them. It really all depends on what is being added. To me, these new dinos are more then a cosmetic. They further enable a desire of mine to have regional based parks by including dinosaurs in Africa, Europe, and South America, which are sorely underrepresented. Therefore, my value for these dinosaurs seems to fit quite nicely in the $5 range.
 
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LordTrilobite

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Crobek said:
I'm surprised people need to ask, but the answer is fairly obvious. It's to give people an incentive to buy the Dr Woo DLC.

If you want those dinos you have to cough up.
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That doesn't speak very highly of the value of the rest of the Dr Wu DLC if they need to hold real dinosaurs hostage just to get people to buy it.

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Citation needed.

Seriously, I read this forum, the discord, the steam forums and the subreddit. If this is happening, it isn't in any place that matters.
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Though this is just my personal opinion, I refuse to buy the Dr Wu DLC exactly because of the hybrids even though I would love to have Olorotitan and Troodon in the roster. I bought the Cretaceous Dinosaurs DLC right away.
 

mysterydiseased

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@jsi7iv: Yeah, it's nice to have more representation for those regions for the reason that you mentioned.

I see 3 new dinosaurs here, plus some skins, plus a new animation. I'm having trouble not seeing Muttaburrasaurus when I look at Iguanodon. Dreadnoughtus is pretty much a chubbier-headed Mamenchisaurus.

Can anyone see a noticeable size difference between Muttaburrasaurus and Iguanodon in game? Iguanodon's were estimated to be noticeably much bigger.


Edit: Weren't the 5 'Deluxe Edition' dinos $5 more?
 
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Deluxe edition dino's are $5 more if you bought them the same time you bought the game. Otherwise, the deluxe dino dlc is $10.99. I was basing my numbers off of the stand alone dlc for the deluxe dinos
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Thanks a lot for the info. I had no idea about the stand-alone costing that much.


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That doesn't speak very highly of the value of the rest of the Dr Wu DLC if they need to hold real dinosaurs hostage just to get people to buy it.
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My thoughts exactly. Rather than bundling many additional incentives that go towards the base game with the hybrid stuff, Frontier need to see how hybrid packs/DLC's can stand on their own before checking the "SUCCESS!" box.
 
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Alan_Grady

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Funderbunk said:
Citation needed.

Seriously, I read this forum, the discord, the steam forums and the subreddit. If this is happening, it isn't in any place that matters.
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You mean there are no people who actually refuse to buy a hybrid-themed DLC however much else it might include? Well, read again, and say hi, because I'm one but certainly not the only one...

I bought this one straight away, however. As the above posters suggest, this was clearly a merchandising move from Frontier so to deliver their work upon Universal's terms. Universal wants more hybrids, people do not. So, seeing the expansion wouldn't have sold as well and the likely bunch of protests that would get, they just split it. So far is not much of a mystery.

I certainly would love to have Troodon and the new maps and even the new genes and I would gladly have payed the 15€ if they just changed the three monstrosities for the beauties delivered today. But since that didn't happen I'll just wait for some Steam sales to put it to a more reasonable price (that is, barely 5€ for just two dinosaurs and the maps) or live without it but I won't be supporting hybrids either, neither with this DLC, nor any potential future ones.

Also, 5€ for a three-dinosaur-DLC might be a bit overpriced, but so was the base game and, still, developing models, creating skins and all the process is sure to cost much more so I consider it fair trade, specially if that helps supporting Frontier to keep working on the game.
 
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blubbit

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Basically, they're a part of the Dr. Wu DLC to make it more appealing. People probably wouldn't buy the DLC if Olorotitan and Troodon weren't in it, especially considering the strong opinions people have for Stegoceratops and Ankylodocus.

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mysterydiseased said:
And besides that, supporting the continued encouragement of adding more hybrids to the game with my wallet isn't happening. That only tells Frontier "Wow, hybrids are super popular! Let's make more and more and more!"
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You act like Frontier isn't paying attention to the community via the forums and reddit. Most of the updates have been in response to the community's interest. This DLC probably wouldn't exist if they were only looking at the sales to tell what the community wants. And yet it does exist, and it features two of some of the most requested dinosaurs. Heck, the Cretaceous DLC is what prompted me to even get the Dr. Wu DLC because I refused to otherwise.
 
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Olorotitan would've been better off saved; it's a beautiful dinosaur but it adds nothing to the Wu storyline. I think Troodon is justifiable because of the danger and venomous bite. I might suggest having saved Olorotitan for this pack and included Carcharodontosaurus in the Wu Pack... but I'm sure people might've complained about four herbivores :/
 

Crobek

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LordTrilobite said:
That doesn't speak very highly of the value of the rest of the Dr Wu DLC if they need to hold real dinosaurs hostage just to get people to buy it.
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Hostage? What are you talking about?

The Dr Wu pack contained a host of new content, including new buildings, new story, 3 Hybrids and 2 dinosaurs. If you want any of the content from the Dr Wu DLC, you have to buy it. That's usually how these things work.

I haven't bought any of the DLC content yet, but I'm not entitled enough to think that they should start splitting up their packages to appease me.
 
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