Why weren't Olorotitan and Troodon saved for the Cretaceous dino pack?

[JohnMiller1132]

I have to say it somewhere so I will just say it here once.

The paid stuffs so far are a bit pricey. Not to say they are not good but to me they are clearly overpriced. To me, a fair price for Dr.Wu DLC would be $12 while the Dino pack to be $3.

The base game was expensive too but considering the updates are so dedicated (and assuming there are more to come), I will call it even and fair for that only.

I wish the future paid stuffs to include even better stuffs and have more reasonable price tags or I think I will have to stop supporting the game at some point…

 

[mysterydiseased]

Basically, they're a part of the Dr. Wu DLC to make it more appealing. People probably wouldn't buy the DLC if Olorotitan and Troodon weren't in it, especially considering the strong opinions people have for Stegoceratops and Ankylodocus.

That's a lot of the problem that many have. Hybrids should be stand-alone from anything to do with the base game, at least imo.

You act like Frontier isn't paying attention to the community via the forums and reddit. Most of the updates have been in response to the community's interest. This DLC probably wouldn't exist if they were only looking at the sales to tell what the community wants. And yet it does exist, and it features two of some of the most requested dinosaurs. Heck, the Cretaceous DLC is what prompted me to even get the Dr. Wu DLC because I refused to otherwise.

Don't get me wrong, it's obvious during these first few months that Frontier have been taking in the many feedback and suggestions. The problem, at least that I have, is the form that it has taken once it's been volleyed back to the players. While many (many many many) had requested stuff like Allosuarus packs/T.rex pairs co-existing together, Troodon, and something to help with all of the problems that Brachiosaurus and Stegosaurus brought to the game since the beginning, it's just not right to throw that in with hybrid market themed stuff. It's not fair to try to force players to consider if they would like better comfort options for base game dinosaurs, and 2 actual new dinosaurs, so that Universal can attempt to prop up and sell more of their trademarks.

And Alan_Grady is most likely 100% right, the hybrids are a Universal thing. Otherwise, what reason would someone at Frontier have to put something like "Ankylodocus" into a JW park builder/management game... ?

The Dr Wu pack contained a host of new content, including new buildings, new story, 3 Hybrids and 2 dinosaurs.

The new story and 3 hybrids should have been sold separately. It's really more about principle than it is about cost for those that have voiced complaint about it. The 2 dinosaurs, new buildings, and the other components of that pack that fit the base game should've been split apart so that everyone wins, imo.

I wish the future paid stuffs to include even better stuffs and have more reasonable price tags or I think I will have to stop supporting the game at some point…

I agree, the base game was way overpriced at launch, but it said 'World' on it, so...

If you asked me, it's still not nearly there yet for $60 for a game of this genre. As far as money support goes, I would've gladly purchased all of the non-Wu hybrid stuff by now (except for the comfort genes, those should've been free). The way that it's all been dished out so far, I'm left having to think about it. Had Olorotitan and Troodon (or something else) been included with the Cretaceous pack, and it was priced at $6.99, I would've thrown money at it already. I'll probably purchase this one soon though, because I haven't shown support on my end since I purchased the "Deluxe Edition" version of an overpriced base game.

 

[Leftthisplacebehind477544678865]

Had Olorotitan and Troodon (or something else) been included with the Cretaceous pack, and it was priced at $6.99, I would've thrown money at it already.

This is a difference of 26 cents per dino.

 

[mysterydiseased]

This is a difference of 26 cents per dino.

I'm just not feeling how the additional dinosaurs have been released so far. It's not so much the price (I was just using $6.99 as an example), but it sours me a little that 2 dinos are made available and shoved into 'another universe' that I can't stand when they could've simply been released a few weeks later in this latest pack. And the Dreadnoughtus in this pack is not worth a penny to me, just like many other dinosaurs that were given models, rigs, and animations that were released early on at or around release.

But, it is what it is (sadly). I'll pay the $4.99 anyway to show some support when the latest stuff hits PS4 next week. Beyond that, due to how these releases have been handled so far, I'll always feel like I have to more closely examine what I'm buying, no matter what the pricetag is.

 

[Player 99234567]

As much as I hate hybrids and having them in the game (including indo rex and raptor) the Dr Wu DLC is actually really good and doesnt deserve the animosity it has. Both the maps you get are actually nice, Isla East being my favorite one in the game and once again you get comfort genes. The whole point of the Dr Wu DLC is hands down the comfort genes which can be pretty game breaking so it should be something sold as extra. If anything it is better that both troodon and olorotitan were in that DLC because even though I bought the cretaceous pack it is pretty pricey for just three dinos with only one really being anything new (iguanadon). If they had troodon and olorotitan in that pack people would argue troodon was being held hostage all the same so it doesnt really matter. At least with Wu DLC there is a mission built around the troodon that is really fun and gives it purpose to its bite.

 

[FreezeProduct]

Kinda agree on that, 5€ for 3 dino's is a bit too much

 

[Crobek]

The new story and 3 hybrids should have been sold separately. It's really more about principle than it is about cost for those that have voiced complaint about it. The 2 dinosaurs, new buildings, and the other components of that pack that fit the base game should've been split apart so that everyone wins, imo.

Why? For you?

Principle?[haha]

Maybe in the future you'll be able to purchase the dinosaurs separately, but if you want them any sooner, you just have to purchase the full DLC. The contents of the Dr Wu pack are very clearly labeled and marketed. If you want any of those contents you have to buy the pack. It really is that simple.

I think the game is far from perfect, but some of the complaints on here and the various other channels are just absolutely insane - it must drive the devs/community managers absolutely mental.

 

[SotF]

I wish the DLC had included 2 other dinosaurs as well, but we got one of the classic dinosaurs with it. A small predator would have been a nice addition there...even some of the other raptor species could be fun for it (With the Dakotaraptor and Utahraptor along with the new one found in mexico that are all about the same size, and could easily be done as the JP3 raptors). There ought to be some more small predators for parks because they now only have 4 of them and Troodons don't really work in combined exhibits

Still wish that the Spinoraptor counted as a small predator from Wu's...

 

[MarcWP]

I'm not down with the hybrids at all. Haven't had one in any of my parks and probably never will. But I still bought the DLC, just to support Frontier, so they can keep improving the game... And 5$ is not really much for 3 new dinosaurs in my opinion. It's priced like a burger at McDonalds. How's that unfair...

Frontier has done nothing unfair here and it's their game. Buy the DLC or not. Who cares...

 

[LordTrilobite]

Hostage? What are you talking about?

The Dr Wu pack contained a host of new content, including new buildings, new story, 3 Hybrids and 2 dinosaurs. If you want any of the content from the Dr Wu DLC, you have to buy it. That's usually how these things work.

I haven't bought any of the DLC content yet, but I'm not entitled enough to think that they should start splitting up their packages to appease me.

Oh we're not entitled to anything. But the simple fact is that personally I would love to see both Olorotitan and Troodon in my parks. But I will simply not buy the DLC because I do not want any more horrid hybrids in the game. The Spinoraptor isn't too bad. But the Ankylodocus is really ugly and the Stegoceratops is just a monstrosity that looks like it couldn't even physically exist. The Stegoceratops is also not even accurate to the film, which doesn't have a nasal horn.
I also do not want to support adding more hybrids to the game.

Regardless of what should have been done or what shouldn't, I will not buy the Dr. Wu DLC as it is. But if there Olorotitan and Troodon were sold separately without any hybrids in the mix, then I would buy that instantly.

 

[mysterydiseased]

Principle?[haha]

If it's not about the price, or indifference, then what else could it be?

Maybe in the future you'll be able to purchase the dinosaurs separately

Let's hope this happens, even if it's a year from now that'll be fine by me.

I think the game is far from perfect, but some of the complaints on here and the various other channels are just absolutely insane - it must drive the devs/community managers absolutely mental.

I don't really feel bad for the company, to be honest. They've invited so many complaints unto themselves, whether it's them or Universal directing this whole thing. And a lot of it is in regards to the business model of maxing profit through questionable bundling tactics rather than allowing the game and its DLC's to naturally sell themselves. Ideally, I'd rather they just make the game without having the online consciousness at their door. However, there's something just not right when the community has to remind the developer that their park builder is missing basic park functionality stuff, amongst so many persistent "pre-release Alpha build" issues.

But I still bought the DLC, just to support Frontier, so they can keep improving the game...

I thought that the devs were already beholden to keep improving the game indefinitely when everyone paid $60 for 25% of a game at launch... ?

Frontier has done nothing unfair here and it's their game. Buy the DLC or not. Who cares...

Making a couple actual dinosaur species exclusive to a hybrid-themed DLC (which was loaded up with many other base game incentives) is fair?

I feel like I've been in upsidedownland following the ongoing development of this game the past few months.

 

[Leftthisplacebehind477544678865]

Making a couple actual dinosaur species exclusive to a hybrid-themed DLC (which was loaded up with many other base game incentives) is fair?

Yes? Why wouldn't it be?

Here's the thing. You didn't buy a dinosaur game. You didn't even buy a Jurassic Park game. You bought a Jurassic World game. It's been clear from the very start that this is a new franchise, a soft reboot. One that has been hugely succesful and heavily featured hybrids and combat.

If that's not what you wanted, you should not have bought this game. The fact that you did only reflects on you, and poorly so, not on anyone else. Stop blaming everyone else for your lack of cognition and restraint.

 

[mysterydiseased]

Yes? Why wouldn't it be?

Hybrids were narry requested to begin with, outside a very (very very very) stray mention of "Stegoceratops". If Universal is so obsessed with keeping those things around, let them stand on their own, and then they can more properly gauge how popular they really are. That's fair to everyone.

Here's the thing. You didn't buy a dinosaur game. You didn't even buy a Jurassic Park game. You bought a Jurassic World game. It's been clear from the very start that this is a new franchise, a soft reboot. One that has been hugely succesful and heavily featured hybrids and combat.

So, the 50-ish animals in the game at the moment aren't based on dinosaurs? And dinosaurs in JWE are just given the excuse of being "JW variants" to bypass the on-going size issues? None of the films that this game is based on strived for any accuracy in relation to nearly the entire spectrum of included species...?

If that's not what you wanted, you should not have bought this game. The fact that you did only reflects on you, and poorly so, not on anyone else. Stop blaming everyone else for your lack of cognition and restraint.

Again, this mentality makes no sense. This game is in on-going development. It's not a completed work, but we hope that it gets there. If it were completed, I certainly would have refunded long ago and never looked back. I very rarely play video games to begin with and am more than capable of not making blind purchases. Telling people to "stop blaming everyone else and move on because you're kinda brainless and don't know how to buy" is a bit high-horse. Praise to the devs is great and all, but blind praises come off as "brainwashed cult member" when all some do is defend every single move that is made.

 

[DBlac]

Another thread started by somebody who won't buy something they want just because it also happens to include something optional they don't want...

Actually, it's the exact same guy. Shocking i know. It's like M. Night Shyamamalamalan is writing this stuff.

 

[Leftthisplacebehind477544678865]

I criticise this game all the time. You're just asking it to be something it isn't, will never be and isn't intended to be and saying everyone else is wrong. Your feedback simply isn't valuable or useful because you're not talking about JWE, you clearly want this to be another game that it won't be. Yes, this game is in development but no amount of your inflammatory posts is ever going to make it what you want and that has been obvious from the get-go. You wasted your time and money in a dumb and totally avoidable way and continue to do so. You bought a bike and act like it's the shop's fault for selling you something with less than four wheels and that they didn't give you accesoires for free.

As for inaccurate dinosaurs, of course they're inaccurate. This franchise started with enormous featherless raptors, T-Rexes that can't see you if you stand still and tiny venom spitting dilo's with frills and got only more ridiculous as time's gone on with the absolutely massive Stego's in TLW, the indestructable oversized Spino, teethed Pteranodons, allosaur sized Ceratosaurus, crocodile-with-legs Baryonyx, hole-frilled Sinoceratops and steroids body builder Carnos. You're barking up the wrong tree for accuracy, this franchise never had any.

 

[mysterydiseased]

Funderbunk: What is the game intending to be then? I'm not looking for spot-on scientific accuracy, I know that the franchise doesn't work that way. However, realistic bases are being used for all film/game references. My main issue is the sizes (and word is that the remaining sizes will never be fixed), as I've said repeatedly. Slight liberties can work if done well, but a dinosaur like Crichtonsaurus is literally TWICE its concluded estimated size. People that keep bringing accurate sizes up are not really faulty. "Rexy" is a tank in JP, but she's only about a meter longer than the biggest found real life estimate. And I don't remember saying other people were wrong, ever. I don't even know what you mean by that. Your bike analogy is off the mark, btw. My past complaints were about not even getting a pedal assembly with my new bike.

"Enormous featherless raptors" were based off of Deinonychus back then when feathers weren't a thing, and it stuck since then. The JP Velociraptors and especially the Dilo are really the only outliers. The Spino was dumb, someone was just trying to over-the-top sell that thing in the hopes of getting credited for its popularity. Ok, I'll give you teethed Pteranodons, but that was a JP3 thing only. TLW Stego (S. ungulatus) was upwards of 30 feet in length when fully mature, but perhaps they could've lost a few pounds in the films. I don't like that JP3 size chart (Trike & Steg were titanic), the Ceratosaurus in-film appeared to be about accurate size (21-23 feet, not 30+ feet). Basically, it's strayed farther away from attempting to being something that resembles accuracy since the first three films, sadly (except Spino seems more 'World' brand). The 'World' brand has introduced galloping Ankylosaurs/Stegosaurs/Ceratopsids which appear could have a chance of out-running a raptor out in an open field, so... :/


Oops, didn't mean to stray from topic. I guess that it's water under the bridge anyhow.