Will FD do anything now?

[Siobhan]

Because the game bores them, and I don't blame them since I know pretty much all of them. So they make their own fun, pushing the line in ways no one has done before. I might not approve of their methods, but if anything I derived one observation:

The community overreacting to them is exactly what keeps them going.

You don't approve? Come now, you used to be one, even if you aren't any more... I honestly have no idea.
If they are bored here, why don't they do what the code did and play elsewhere?

As to the last, I agree with you on that. They do get their kicks from salty threads like this.
Unfortunately for me, I enjoy forum-pvp way too much to stay out of it, much like your good self, I presume.

Some things never change.
The game might, it could be elite, eve, call of duty, whatever... but people remain the same. To be human is to be an a-hole.

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I made a hideous generalisation in response to your hideous generalisation. Get over yourself.

I was over myself long before you were born, kiddo.

 

[fennster]

UK consumer law. I am not well-versed in it, but apparently they can't ban a player completely (correct me if I'm mistaken), not to mention that if people are dedicated to do it over and over they're probably smart enough to use proxy to change IP.

That interested me, so I checked. Apparently any cheaters/hacks found on Steams VAC protected games list will be permanently banned and the game will be removed from the library. Plus other stuff can be revoked.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-Radz-6869

 

[GluttonyFang]

Mobius invasion has been done before, surely - as the PR representative for The Code, you are aware of that?

We're talking about SDC, not The Code, and yes I'm aware, which was why I pushed for outlawing mode invasion and did get it through. Even after that, I tried to establish a "no Mobius" clause by the request of a Mobius (player group) player, it didn't get through, but I went to that extent.

No need to ban completely - simply place their commander in the shadow-ban mode where they will only meet other players who are similarly "contained".

FD haven't done it to anyone permanently to my knowledge, so not sure if they'll do it for this.

But if they do do it, I hope Combat Logging gets resolved in the same fashion.

 

[Ian Phillips]

Lets please stop flinging ramdom insults at each other.

If you cannot make your point in a civil manner, considering NOT to post is an option to be considered.

 

[frostypaw]

Except that I'm defending nothing but reason itself in this case.

Hmm. Or kinda using the situation to get your axe on the wheel, this is irrelevant to ignorance not being a defence, as any lawyer knows.

No, and you want to assume that they are all orchestrated by the same people? What basis do you have? What if people are using proxy to mask IP?

This is pure fiction and no such suggestion was ever made or implied.

Yes, there is harm, but it's manageable to a reasonable degree and there should be more direct tools for group administrators such as instant banning and extending his or her privilege to other group members to carry out these tasks to secure the integrity of the group.

Going against group guideline isn't what FDev disallow, avoiding and trying to get around the authority of said group's decision to ban a user, is.

And willfully disrespecting that group's guidelines and entry requirements to purposefully reinflame a situation also goes again what they wrote - I can link it, but you know where it is.

Their thread didn't only mention working around bans, that is a gross oversimplification.

What makes you think I'm supporting them? I'm trying to make people who are flipping out see reason that is so plain and simple. I don't support mode invasion, at all, but it's allowed regardless. Personal feeling and codified legality are two different things that people mix up too often to be healthy for any civilization/structured community.

Instead of an angry ranting thread, maybe try writing a constructive proposal on how to solve the issue, instead.

The reason why I bring up combat logging is that people seem to forget that they're not the only ones suffering from "griefing." If they truly want to solve the issue in its totality, stop focusing on the particular since it shows nothing but said individuals falling victim to their human condition of conceited tendency which most likely fueled the mode invasion in the first place.

If anything this sort of mode invasion is more manageable than combat logging, and can end in devs getting monetary support from dedicated harassers.

I don't think you're fully meaning to, but there is a great tendency for you to disrupt and greatly diminish these threads by turning into a "well why should they bother when they've not fixed COMBAT LOGGING it's just as bad for me" - I understand it's a big problem and perfectly fair to be 'drunk' about it and want to sort it out but it just ends up effectively defending these people's aggressive actions and diminishes the chances of any progress.

You're a respectful chap, stand separately and let them fall alone. Your issues substantially exist because of them, last folk you want to help

 

[GluttonyFang]

You don't approve? Come now, you used to be one, even if you aren't any more... I honestly have no idea.

Used to be what? I've never done anything to the magnitude of what SDC is known for.

If they are bored here, why don't they do what the code did and play elsewhere?

You should ask them.

As to the last, I agree with you on that. They do get their kicks from salty threads like this.
Unfortunately for me, I enjoy forum-pvp way too much to stay out of it, much like your good self, I presume.

I see debate as debate, not any form of "PvP."

Some things never change.
The game might, it could be elite, eve, call of duty, whatever... but people remain the same. To be human is to be an a-hole.

I see it as a conflict of interest, that's all.

 

[GluttonyFang]

That interested me, so I checked. Apparently any cheaters/hacks found on Steams VAC protected games list will be permanently banned and the game will be removed from the library. Plus other stuff can be revoked.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-Radz-6869

Right, but this game doesn't run solely from steam, it has a separate launcher.

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Rubbish.

I'm bored by the board.
So I signed up for the fitness studio.

tl;dr
Get a hobby.

Okay then, have fun.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Mobius invasion has been done before, surely - as the PR representative for The Code, you are aware of that?

It's the cop-out line. All of them have those. We do it for the smiles per gallon. We do it to push the line. We do it to reveal holes in security.

And it's all transparent and absolute nonsense.

 

[fennster]

Right, but this game doesn't run solely from steam, it has a separate launcher.

No, just interested if under consumer law a game can be retracted, wasn't part of the argument just an interest.

 

[GluttonyFang]

What a happy community we have...

Very happy indeed.

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No, just interested if under consumer law a game can be retracted, wasn't part of the argument just an interest.

We need an UK lawyer, someone help @+@

 

[Ian Phillips]

Closed pending moderation review.

 

[Ian Phillips]

After having gone through the numerous report received from this thread, it will remain closed.