Will Fdev Update Black Holes In Game ?

GODofDUTY83

GODofDUTY83
Big day incoming. Wednesday 10th April 2019, we get a look at the first ever image of a black hole.
Obviously we cant see a black hole but we may well see an accretion disk in the image. Personally, I cant wait, I want to see it now.

I think it would be really fitting if Fdev updated the ingame black holes to reflect the new real world information.

It'll end up being a blank image.
 

Fray

Fray
Are you referring to the imaging of A*, or something else? Not all black holes are born alike, after all... and so imaging of A*'s accretion disc/s won't mean much to a run of the mill black hole most people encounter in Elite.

I'd love for more stellar phenomena to be added, discs very much included, but the rendering for gravitational lensing is already fairly appalling in-game (no offence to the coders/programmers - I'm sure it counts as good work, technically), so I doubt they'd push the boat out on anything fancy.

Fingers crossed for an, I dunno, 'Interstellar's Gargantua - but even more accurate'-update sometime before the servers get turned off...
 

GODofDUTY83

GODofDUTY83
Fray said:
Are you referring to the imaging of A*, or something else? Not all black holes are born alike, after all... and so imaging of A*'s accretion disc/s won't mean much to a run of the mill black hole most people encounter in Elite.

I'd love for more stellar phenomena to be added, discs very much included, but the rendering for gravitational lensing is already fairly appalling in-game (no offence to the coders/programmers - I'm sure it counts as good work, technically), so I doubt they'd push the boat out on anything fancy.

Fingers crossed for an, I dunno, 'Interstellar's Gargantua - but even more accurate'-update sometime before the servers get turned off...
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Yes, Sag A.
Fdev could update some smaller black holes found within nebula but I understand that the vast majority in game are unlikely to have a matter based accretion disk around them.
I like the lensing effect our current in game black holes provide, they are not all that bad, tbh.
 

EponymousCowherd

EponymousCowherd
New in-game black hole revealed.
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WeComeInPeace

WeComeInPeace
Hopefully in due time. Amazing image btw! I personally like the way black holes challenge our understanding of reality. No matter how strange they are, they are real, and have to be considered proven from now on. It's like the experiment that proved that Einstein was right about the bending of light. Truly awesome achievement by the team. As Hopper pointed out: It's only science when the falsifiable hypothesis is proven correct. In this case the evidence fits like a glove.

To be honest the image looks pretty much as expected, and well in line with Fdev's representation of the gravitational lensing of a black hole. An accretion disk in ED would be nice though, and even better the possibility to get past the event horizon. It probably hurts a bit, but who doesn't want to see a singularty?

Anyone know when the image of Sag A* is expected? It's a lot closer than M87, even though the event horizon is considerably smaller. The M87 image has been due for some time. Perhaps it was released now to be first?
 

Fray

Fray
WeComeInPeace said:
Anyone know when the image of Sag A* is expected? It's a lot closer than M87, even though the event horizon is considerably smaller. The M87 image has been due for some time. Perhaps it was released now to be first?
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Wasn't the issue [relative] ease of visibility and angle for M87? Our SMBH may be a lot closer, but it's shrouded, edge on, by all the galaxy we have to image straight through.

Everyone assumed it'd be A*, but did anyone at EHT actually say that was going to be first released? Maybe it's proving even tougher to resolve/reconstruct than they expected. Frankly the algorithm process they seem to use to achieve the M87 shot is a bit baffling to me... I watched a short presentation by Katie Bouman, who I think was its chief creator, and it kinda prompted more questions than it answered.
 

Dutchman141

Dutchman141

WeComeInPeace

WeComeInPeace
Fray said:
Wasn't the issue [relative] ease of visibility and angle for M87? Our SMBH may be a lot closer, but it's shrouded, edge on, by all the galaxy we have to image straight through.

Everyone assumed it'd be A*, but did anyone at EHT actually say that was going to be first released? Maybe it's proving even tougher to resolve/reconstruct than they expected. Frankly the algorithm process they seem to use to achieve the M87 shot is a bit baffling to me... I watched a short presentation by Katie Bouman, who I think was its chief creator, and it kinda prompted more questions than it answered.
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I have been reading a little more on the Sag A* image. It seems that Sag A* is too active to show the event horizon. Also there are no jets visible in the data, sugesting to some, that it could mean that the jets are pointed straight towards us. That's like looking for a dark spot while looking into a laser beam (don't or you will). The jet theory seems unlikely to me, as Sol is pretty far from the galactic core, and I would expect the jets to be perpendicular to the disc. Or perhaps not?

Edit: In another thread it seems that there has been released a Sag A* image. It's probably a classical case of the media going crazy to be first with the latest and not getting the facts and details right. Maybe I should watch the original presentation :)
 
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EponymousCowherd

EponymousCowherd
WeComeInPeace said:
Edit: In another thread it seems that there has been released a Sag A* image. It's probably a classical case of the media going crazy to be first with the latest and not getting the facts and details right. Maybe I should watch the original presentation :)
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The coverage of this in the MSM has been painful to watch. One supposed "science correspondent" stated that gravity is so strong near the black hole that time itself is slowed as if this was some unique effect of black holes.
 

JesusRocks1988

JesusRocks1988
I watched the European press conference live. They did not show the Sag A* image, but indeed said that they'd need more time before releasing it because of the amount of movement around it.

Then today I have been seeing youtube videos containing both the M87 and Sag A* images.

However, I cannot find where the Sag A* image has come from originally, as all google search results point to one of three things:
  • The M87 image
  • Old articles from before the release
  • Horoscopes for Sagittarius

Not helpful at all.
 

GODofDUTY83

GODofDUTY83
There is an image of Sag A from a few years ago, well, its an image of matter flow as a star was torn apart, I believe. There is no actual image of Sag A to date, only M87. Its a safe bet that M87 is similar to Sag A, but this reality is strange, so maybe best not to make any bets after all.
 

GODofDUTY83

GODofDUTY83
Lets be clear about the accretion disk I would like in game.
It needs to be like the one in the movie 'Interstellar'. The ship gets close enough to the thing and the matter flow is amazing in that scene. That.
 
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