Wings Mode

[Yomamas Fett]

Right now, I ,like many people am avoiding Open play, we want to be part of a community, like the chats and camraderie, we even like the occasional PvP.

Wings has made the populated areas of the Open Server off-limits to any expensive vessels, it's just not worth the cost of insurance for the good conversations only to be inevitably set upon by a 6 man player Wing....you wouldn't mind if they were playing Pirates, but they're almost always playing griefer; and only interested in Player Killing rather than PvP (PvPPPPPP is just crazy game design, and usually requires it's own mode within a game as all Developers know, how this wasn't picked up in Beta I have no idea).


In Open PvP before Wings you could fight or run, post Wings and we find that a PvWing battle is impossible to run from, Ive seen the FSD take over 2 minutes charging and stuck at 90% for 1:30 due to the enemy Wing (are we using a Wings collective mass, or is this an FDL exclusive bug, as Ive seen it always with the FDL, both player and NPC?).

It is also impossible to fight, as a 6vs1 fight in any game is pretty unfair and would be considred griefing in most games...It WILL certainly drive away players in their droves; I love this game and I am invested enough to stick around in Solo while Wings are better developed as a concept...because right now:

Wings+Open= Trolls charter.


A mode for Wings where Wings fight only other Wings (beefed up NPCs or Player Wings) would certainly address this, and leave Open as it was pre-Wings...where a PvP was fairly rare, a PPvP very rare, and a PPPPPPvP almost impossible to arrange.

 

[k0v4L]

In Open PvP before Wings you could fight or run, post Wings and we find that a PvWing battle is impossible to run from, Ive seen the FSD take over 2 minutes charging and stuck at 90% for 1:30 due to the enemy Wing (are we using a Wings collective mass, or is this an FDL exclusive bug, as Ive seen it always with the FDL, both player and NPC?).

You can always run. Mass lock dont work if you jump to another system, charging takes 15s and other ships cant block your FSD.
For most time i am a lonely pirate (acasionaly pirating in wing), and yesterday the wing of 4 players hunting for me (python, ferd and vutures). They intredicted my 4-5 times, and i run every time. Im flaying in ASP.

 

[Psycho Romeo]

Why don't you form a wing with the 'many people avoiding open play' and watch each other's backs as you take your big ships out spelunking?

 

[DocLooshkin]

Frankly, the entire open game is a troll's playground at the moment. Winging up isn't always a realistic option for solving this: unless you already know some of the other players in the game, you've no idea if you've just joined a bunch of trolls who'll wreck your ship for a laugh the minute you leave the station. Additionally, you still need enough firepower to be a deterrent - wings of trading ships aren't going to last long against wings of FDLs and Vultures built to cause maximum damage. Perhaps the Powerplay update will solve some of this. We shall see.

 

[Yomamas Fett]

This is exactly what I've got sick to my stomach with; Trolls could previously be dealt with in 1s and 2s, I even enjoyed the occassional PvP when it was balanced 1v1 or 2v1, but 6v1 is just ridiculous, if I were a newbie I'd quit and go play something else after a 6v1 mugging.

Wings has ruined Open for me because I like to hang out in more populated systems as I map human space, it takes a while to earn 7m, that's a lot of investment to risk in, as you say, a trolls playground.



Now if Wings had their own mode, Wings could fight Wings, and NPC Wings could be beefed up, leaving us lonewolves to enjoy Open Play without the trolls ganging up being a game mechanic (and Lone Wolfs will always be the majority of a games player base, as not everyone has the time/inclination to join a clan).

We're going to loose many players with this trollfest, period.




@ Romeo as to the masslolling FDL, do you not think that the "just jump to another system" is exploity, and likely to change? It defeats the mass lock mechanic and thus is likely to dissapear sometime soon IMHO. It always felt cheap to me, then again pre-FDL I could always escape from a fight if I wanted too. An FDL indefinately mass locking a Python is ridiculous, I wonder if it works on the Conda also?