Hardware & Technical X52 pro vs 16000m. First hand knowledge wanted.

XrayRomeoAlpha

XrayRomeoAlpha
Give it to me straight doc, anyone who has used both of them I would like your opinions.
Obviously the game that I am looking to play the most is elite so whichever one gives me the greater functionality would be preferable.
the other factor i have begun to think about is the throttle.
Is the rocking one better than the slide one?
Is this a case where paying a little bit more is going to get me a little bit more?

I've been kicking this dilemma around for weeks now!
about to have a birthday and id like to drop the right hints to my wife.

I have been leaning towards the cheaper thrustmaster but im beginning to sway.

Lemme have it!

fly safe CMDRs
 

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T16000m FCS is the best right now. Don't trust Saitek right now.
 

GTwannabe

GTwannabe
Definitely T.16000M. Over 2 years of heavy use on mine and everything still works like new and the tracking is laser accurate. Saitek is nothing but a dirty diaper dumpster fire. Chintsy construction and zero quality control. Things may turn around after the acquisition by Logitech.
 

Crimson Kaim

Crimson Kaim
As an intense X52 Pro user I can not suggest it. It's clearly not made for intense use and breaks fast. Had to replace it once and I refused to wait months the second time which is why I repaired it myself and removed some parts to let it work properly. It got steel where it doesn't need it. Usually it consists out of plastic and glue. ALOT of glue. The wiring is fine for what it is and the buttons usually respond with a good amount of pressure without using violent force. While I personally haven't experienced and issues with the spring I definately heard that it is a major one for other users.
That said, you must choose between good looking and partially working or the 16kM and, ofcourse, the prices and variants. If you really need a fancy looking HOTAS but do not intend to use it intensively I think the X52 Peo is for you but as soon as you really start using it you have to prepare for somewhat mjor malfunctions. However, if it is pure quality you are seeking then I think you should avoid this HOTAS.

It has to be said, though, I use it and I am a PvPer so it isn't that bad after all. But it is me who repairs it all the time.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
Just have the X52 Pro, but wouldn't buy it again. I knew about all the warnings but didn't listen and bought it any way, mostly because there was no alternative.
 

Deadspin

Deadspin
Saitek < Everything else (Currently)

Hell, I use a Logitech 3DXtreme Pro and it has more than enough buttons. Throttle and basic systems are handled on the keyboard.
 

akaliel

A
I've had my Saitek X35/36 for 15 years now, long before the MadCatz purchase and when things started to slide. Was a great HOTAS, but it's just starting to give me some grief with small twitches on the stick and the rudder paddles twitch so much that I had to bind roll to one of the dials. So I'll be HOTAS shopping some point this year me thinks. I suspect I'll break the bank and go Warthog.
 

XrayRomeoAlpha

XrayRomeoAlpha
GTwannabe said:
Definitely T.16000M. Over 2 years of heavy use on mine and everything still works like new and the tracking is laser accurate. Saitek is nothing but a dirty diaper dumpster fire. Chintsy construction and zero quality control. Things may turn around after the acquisition by Logitech.
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What about the throttle?
Is it an issue sliding vs rocking?

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Deadspin said:
Saitek < Everything else (Currently)

Hell, I use a Logitech 3DXtreme Pro and it has more than enough buttons. Throttle and basic systems are handled on the keyboard.
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This is just a stick though, right?
If im gonna do it, i want to go all the way ( not spending warthog money this time)

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GaryII said:
Maybe this review helps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mzf5EdgsVs
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I have seen this.
I wanted interaction with someone who has had one other than the corpse.
Good review though, not good for product

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Crimson Kaim said:
As an intense X52 Pro user I can not suggest it. It's clearly not made for intense use and breaks fast. Had to replace it once and I refused to wait months the second time which is why I repaired it myself and removed some parts to let it work properly. It got steel where it doesn't need it. Usually it consists out of plastic and glue. ALOT of glue. The wiring is fine for what it is and the buttons usually respond with a good amount of pressure without using violent force. While I personally haven't experienced and issues with the spring I definately heard that it is a major one for other users.
That said, you must choose between good looking and partially working or the 16kM and, ofcourse, the prices and variants. If you really need a fancy looking HOTAS but do not intend to use it intensively I think the X52 Peo is for you but as soon as you really start using it you have to prepare for somewhat mjor malfunctions. However, if it is pure quality you are seeking then I think you should avoid this HOTAS.

It has to be said, though, I use it and I am a PvPer so it isn't that bad after all. But it is me who repairs it all the time.
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I think i will play lots.
So maybe not for me

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babelfisch said:
Just have the X52 Pro, but wouldn't buy it again. I knew about all the warnings but didn't listen and bought it any way, mostly because there was no alternative.
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Fortunately there are options now


Thank you all.
More food for thought.
 

B1rdy

B1rdy
Had two X52Pro in a year, on both units the throttle resistance thingy broke. Replaced it for a T16000m FCS. The X52 has far better ergonomics on(?) the throttle and more better placed buttons overall. The TM however has better ergonomics on the stick. You need really large hands for the X52's stick. X52 is kind of loose in center position, T16000 feels more smooth and accurate.

As for Saiteks quality, you can read more comments here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/318326-Saitek-X56-Rhino-and-product-quality

GaryII said:
Maybe this review helps:

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mzf5EdgsVs
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He is somewhat right regarding the throttle, though I find the button placement for the fingers not as bad as he describes it.

If I could change the T16000, I would place more buttons and or an additional coolie hat on the stick. And I would change the shape of the throttle.
 
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RwD

RwD
T16000m FCS all the way. X52 pro has nice lights and lots of buttons but it's like it's made of paper. Some people have no issues whatsoever but the majority does have a lot. So it's a bit of a hit or miss situation. And for that price it really shouldn't be like that.
 

GTwannabe

GTwannabe
XrayRomeoAlpha said:
What about the throttle?
Is it an issue sliding vs rocking?
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It feels a bit chintsy as it twists slightly in the track, but it works fine and stays where you put it. Not like my old Saitek Cyborg EVO Force where the stupid throttle paddle would slowly flop down under its own weight. Had to ditch that thing after the soft-touch coating deteriorated to a sticky mess.

I would have preferred a more premium stick, but there is nothing better in the $50-$399 range. The Warthog is only metal on the outside; moving parts and switch guts are plastic. Both sticks use the same sensor, so the 16000 is a steal for $50 or less.
 

Badben

Badben
The x 52 pro is "alright", I've used it a while now, and broken one already. My second one is a year old, and still working, but it isn't a great stick, never used the 16000m, just looked it up though, and it looks like it doesn't come with a separate throttle, is that right? I have to say, I really like having a separate throttle, and couldn't imagine flying without one. Sure the x 52 is a lot more expensive, and like many have said, they can break easily. I think I wouldn't buy the 16000m because of not having an extra throttle, but, I wouldn't necessarily recommend the x 52 either.
 

Zed

Zed
I had the t16000 for beta but 'upgraded' to an X52 pro because I didn't have enough buttons.
Well a little over 2 years on and various bits of the x52 pro no longer work. The detents on the throttle had to be removed when they started to move and prevent full movement of the throttle, the spring on the twist stick snapped and some buttons on the throttle only work when the throttle is pushed forwards.

So for Christmas I had the throttle to go with the t16000 and all is well in my ED world again. Admittedly it's taking a little while to get used to the control changes but I'm pretty much there.
 

Dad Rock

Dad Rock
I've got the best of both worlds. I started off with the single T16000M joystick and I loved it. The problem was the throttle on it was pretty useless, so I used it along with my keyboard.

The big breakthrough came when I ordered a used x-52 on eBay. It was going for about 27 quid. The throttle worked perfectly but the joystick it came with was broken. I bought it, hooked it up to my PC, and now I'm using a T16000M joystick as well as an x-52 throttle. Works beautifully, and loads of buttons to do what I need to do. I'm also using Voice attack and the HCS forums and that works great for annoying little things like requesting docking, and deploying or retracting hardpoints/cargo scoop/ and landing gear.

The whole setup cost me less than £70. If you went for a brand new Saitek you'd be paying double that. Just another option that might be worth considering. Plus, they both have a cool green glow so they compliment each other visually as well :D
 
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nosleepdemon

nosleepdemon
The flip switch / missile launch shield broke on mine the day after I purchased it. I got it for $140 cad so I knew what I was getting into. It still functions, but input is degrading and there is heavy noise on the dials on the throttle. Nowadays, with its hyper inflated price, the x52 pro is utter, total garbage. Seriously. Do NOT buy one!
 

Cula-Ta

Cula-Ta
I had issues with the thruster, contacted 'Customer Support' was led a merry dance. WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER X52 PRO or any other product from that shower of [insert expletive]
 

Duckfather

Duckfather
Slightly different, but still Saitek related. I have an X55, and while I love the layout etc, most buttons on the throttle have stopped working and the twist on the joystick is massively jerky. So much so that the dead zone I've got for it in ED is beyond a joke.

This all started failing about a month after I bought it. I can probably fix the throttle issues (it's shoddy internal wiring), but the joystick twist is down to the design of it (it is removable and moves in the fixture it screws into, shifting the spring loaded pins around the base contacts causing intermittent signals).

I'm possibly interested in looking at the 16000M combo as a replacement (I'll never get another Saitek product again!). I have used the 16000M joystick before (when I started playing ED back in PB actually) and it was great. But, as has been asked further up this thread, what is the throttle like using the slide motion instead of rocking? That's my only (possible) issue with the combo really.
 
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