Zorgon-Peterson should be competing with Lakon

[Imgran]

Man o man, is the Zorgon-Peterson firm letting an opportunity slip right through their fingers.

They have a monopoly on the light transport market, they're the Volkswagen if the galaxy with the Hauler and the Adder. And they have a great upper-mid-level fighter craft too. They have all the brand recognition advantage they'd need to become a direct rival of Lakon in the mid and upper range freighter markets, and they're simply not doing it.

Since Faucon DeLacey bought out ZP a few dacedes ago, it's not surprising that they're not competing directly with Faulcon in roles the two companies share, but last time I checked, Faulcon was competing with Lakon in the upper mid range transport and multirole markets, and they own the Zorgon-Peterson brand, which is an imminently recognizable brand -- there may be only 3 Zorgon-Peterson ships on the market but nearly every Commander has owned at least one of them.

It would be simplicity itself to leverage ZP's successful Hauler design and scale it up to compete with the Type 6 and Type 7. Name brand recognition of the Hauler would make commanders trust this upgrade over a completely new and unfamiliar company. Brand loyalty would play entirely in ZP's favor as it scaled its design up to meed the demand -- and they're simply not doing it.

Zorgon-Peterson should have between two and three larger model transports competing directly with the Type 6, type 7 and possibly type 9. They should definitely be on the market. It's corporate negligence not to be competing in this area for a company so well known for the transport ships they offer. Especially if they also offered the advantages of being slightly faster or more maneuverable at the cost of armanent that doesn't do the Types any real good anyway. Or if they had a slight advantage in jump range at the cost of thruster speed -- some wrinkle that gave them a niche in game. I'd probably fly one if they did.

I also think I'd trust ZP to make large scale transport ships that didn't look quite so much like flying blocks of solid bland like Lakon's very industrial and Spartan offerings.

 

[Marklar_]

I would love to see more Z.P. ships, they're beautiful and it's a shame to have only three with two being starter ships.

I'd like to see a medium version of the Adder, a multipurpose the size of the FDL.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

I own all three of them, two of which I have more than one of...

Hauler - Got one. Haven't used it in a long time, but it's there.

Adder - I own two of these. One is from long ago, when I was learning to play the game, the other a more recent acquisition, good for making little hops to nearby outposts, and taking planetside to gather resources.

FdL - Got two of these too. One geared up for shooting Thargoids. One geared up for Assassination missions. And if I recall correctly, this was a joint venture between ZP and SK.

I wouldn't mind seeing another ZP ship or three - something medium, something large. Perhaps a super-stretch version of the Adder - the Zorgon Peterson Spacebus.

 

[RidingTheFlow]

FdL - Got two of these too. One geared up for shooting Thargoids. One geared up for Assassination missions. And if I recall correctly, this was a joint venture between ZP and SK.

No, just *some* of them were "upgraded" by SK. I don't think we actually have these to fly (yet?).

 

[Blackcompany]

I want to see more marketplace competition in Elite, period. Ship sales by corporations looking to promote their brand. Bonus discounts on modules, if you buy them all at the same place. Special sales where all of a company's ships, and the modules, are guaranteed in stock in a certain system, but for a limited time. Even bonus discounts for trading in a ship from a competitor, or of the same brand as the one you'er buying, like a loyalty bonus. Car and truck companies do this sort of thing all the time; that it doesnt happen in this universe makes ZERO sense.

Which is a big problem for Elite. The economy isnt one. Its just a barely disguised video game grind. All the numbers are set in stone, unwavering. No one knows where anything is located, or whether outfitting will be possible even if a ship IS present. Its absolutely silly to think an economy could exist in Elite's universe, with the limits FDEV place on it in order to maintain strict control of a grind they think hooks the players it in fact mostly pushes away.

 

[Imgran]

Also if there was ever a company to create a great dedicated explorer, it would almost have to be Zorgon-Peterson. 2 of their 3 offerings are very commonly used as entry level explorers, and their direct competition in the market is Lakon with the Asp and the DBX

Lakon a direct rival in other areas of ship design. I really doubt a real company in ZP's position would just let Lakon have the entire midrange dedicated explorer market with no fight, especially when they're competitive on the bottom end of said market. They might be directed by Faulcon not to mess with the Anaconda's dominance at the upper end, but the mid range should be theirs to play with and compete with Lakon over.

Again, with the Hauler and Adder both easily customized as passable exploration craft, this is an area that nobody can expand into as easily and organically as Zorgon-Peterson and they're just not doing it. A deluxe version of the Adder with 2 more small internals bays and able to use a class 4 or 5 FSD would be all that is required.

So that's 4 ships Zorgon Peterson should be developing if its directors were doing their job.

A type 6 rival
a type 7 rival
A type 9 rival
A dedicated explorer.

 

[hypervoodoo77]

Didn't see zp so much as a trader myself.
I see the Line up more as early trader, early allround and combat ship.
I did everything in my adder in the good old days.
But I agree that zp needs some love in whatever direction.

 

[Poseidal]

ZPG make the FdL. The premium combat ship of the bubble.

But apart from that, more ZPG ships would be really nice, especially as ZPG do the best interiors. An explorer would be nice to have, and I had the idea of a pair of explorer/combat and explorer/trader with similar frames based on the old ArcElite Urutu and Mocassin.

Maybe a light fighter based on the Caimen from that game as well, which easily falls into the ZPG aesthetic.

 

[MEBH]

Yes! I want more ZeePee ships! The concept art for the Panther Clipper was a Zorgon Design, I'd think they'd do well making the Moray Starboat too or maybe a completely new design as to the way the game is going, but definately need more!

 

[damon8r351]

Zorgon Peterson's more like Scion than Volkswagen. They're a sub-brand of a larger company, with a small number of distinctive looking products that has a devoted fanbase.

 

[MEBH]

Zorgon Peterson's more like Scion than Volkswagen. They're a sub-brand of a larger company, with a small number of distinctive looking products that has a devoted fanbase.

Yes, they're part of Delacy and apparently they make exploration ships too? I use my Adder for that at the moment as she has a near 30Ly range, which is fine for me, but would like to see actual exploration class from them.

 

[Clifra Jones]

Zorgon Peterson's more like Scion than Volkswagen. They're a sub-brand of a larger company, with a small number of distinctive looking products that has a devoted fanbase.

I hope not! Because Scion is no more!

Man o man, is the Zorgon-Peterson firm letting an opportunity slip right through their fingers.

They have a monopoly on the light transport market, they're the Volkswagen if the galaxy with the Hauler and the Adder. And they have a great upper-mid-level fighter craft too. They have all the brand recognition advantage they'd need to become a direct rival of Lakon in the mid and upper range freighter markets, and they're simply not doing it.

Since Faucon DeLacey bought out ZP a few dacedes ago, it's not surprising that they're not competing directly with Faulcon in roles the two companies share, but last time I checked, Faulcon was competing with Lakon in the upper mid range transport and multirole markets, and they own the Zorgon-Peterson brand, which is an imminently recognizable brand -- there may be only 3 Zorgon-Peterson ships on the market but nearly every Commander has owned at least one of them.

It would be simplicity itself to leverage ZP's successful Hauler design and scale it up to compete with the Type 6 and Type 7. Name brand recognition of the Hauler would make commanders trust this upgrade over a completely new and unfamiliar company. Brand loyalty would play entirely in ZP's favor as it scaled its design up to meed the demand -- and they're simply not doing it.

Zorgon-Peterson should have between two and three larger model transports competing directly with the Type 6, type 7 and possibly type 9. They should definitely be on the market. It's corporate negligence not to be competing in this area for a company so well known for the transport ships they offer. Especially if they also offered the advantages of being slightly faster or more maneuverable at the cost of armanent that doesn't do the Types any real good anyway. Or if they had a slight advantage in jump range at the cost of thruster speed -- some wrinkle that gave them a niche in game. I'd probably fly one if they did.

I also think I'd trust ZP to make large scale transport ships that didn't look quite so much like flying blocks of solid bland like Lakon's very industrial and Spartan offerings.

A competitor for the type 7 that can land on medium pads. This would also compete with the Python as an outpost trader.

 

[Imgran]

I hope not! Because Scion is no more!



A competitor for the type 7 that can land on medium pads. This would also compete with the Python as an outpost trader.

Faulcon DeLacey probably won't let them compete directly with the Python as a multirole ship, but a downgunned pure trader using Zorgon-Peterson design aesthetics would beat the pants off the ugly, awkward red-headed stepchild that is the Type 7.

 

[Imgran]

Yes! I want more ZeePee ships! The concept art for the Panther Clipper was a Zorgon Design, I'd think they'd do well making the Moray Starboat too or maybe a completely new design as to the way the game is going, but definately need more!

I do wonder what a Zorgon-Peterson light fighter would look like, but that's Faulcon DeLacey's bread and butter with the Cobra and Viper, both Faulcon ships, as the dominant forces in the heavy fighter market.

if Faulcon was going to compete in the light fighter market they'd do it themselves probably.

Anyway yeah, I love the Zorgon-Peterson aesthetic, they know how to make pretty ships, I wish there was more of them, hopefully some day there will be.

 

[MEBH]

I do wonder what a Zorgon-Peterson light fighter would look like, but that's Faulcon DeLacey's bread and butter with the Cobra and Viper, both Faulcon ships, as the dominant forces in the heavy fighter market.

if Faulcon was going to compete in the light fighter market they'd do it themselves probably.

Anyway yeah, I love the Zorgon-Peterson aesthetic, they know how to make pretty ships, I wish there was more of them, hopefully some day there will be.

Delacy already have made a light fighter, it's called the Taipan

 

[gribley]

Man o man, is the Zorgon-Peterson firm letting an opportunity slip right through their fingers.

They have a monopoly on the light transport market, they're the Volkswagen if the galaxy with the Hauler and the Adder. And they have a great upper-mid-level fighter craft too. They have all the brand recognition advantage they'd need to become a direct rival of Lakon in the mid and upper range freighter markets, and they're simply not doing it.

Since Faucon DeLacey bought out ZP a few dacedes ago, it's not surprising that they're not competing directly with Faulcon in roles the two companies share, but last time I checked, Faulcon was competing with Lakon in the upper mid range transport and multirole markets, and they own the Zorgon-Peterson brand, which is an imminently recognizable brand -- there may be only 3 Zorgon-Peterson ships on the market but nearly every Commander has owned at least one of them.

It would be simplicity itself to leverage ZP's successful Hauler design and scale it up to compete with the Type 6 and Type 7. Name brand recognition of the Hauler would make commanders trust this upgrade over a completely new and unfamiliar company. Brand loyalty would play entirely in ZP's favor as it scaled its design up to meed the demand -- and they're simply not doing it.

Zorgon-Peterson should have between two and three larger model transports competing directly with the Type 6, type 7 and possibly type 9. They should definitely be on the market. It's corporate negligence not to be competing in this area for a company so well known for the transport ships they offer. Especially if they also offered the advantages of being slightly faster or more maneuverable at the cost of armanent that doesn't do the Types any real good anyway. Or if they had a slight advantage in jump range at the cost of thruster speed -- some wrinkle that gave them a niche in game. I'd probably fly one if they did.

I also think I'd trust ZP to make large scale transport ships that didn't look quite so much like flying blocks of solid bland like Lakon's very industrial and Spartan offerings.

WHAT
ZP has the FDL, its the undisputed PvP king. if nothing else lakon should try and compete with ZP in the combat ship area and bring something that doesn't have a canopy made of sugar-glass and that has laterals stronger than a bottle-rocket.
for real, the FDL is the gnarliest fighter in the game, ZP is sitting pretty right now matey

 

[Vardaugas]

The style of ZP would fit well for a Mamba design, imho, as a small sized FdL with a single medium hardpoint, facing front, under the nose. Perfect for racing and as alternative to the out of production Eagle and side step from the Sidewinder.

Similar, a upscaled Hauler would fit well as the Transporter using the flat cuboid shape to make it fit just so into a medium hangar while maximizing the cargo capacity but sacrificing speed and agility in the process.

But I'm repeating myself.

 

[gribley]

The style of ZP would fit well for a Mamba design, imho, as a small sized FdL with a single medium hardpoint, facing front, under the nose. Perfect for racing and as alternative to the out of production Eagle and side step from the Sidewinder.

Similar, a upscaled Hauler would fit well as the Transporter using the flat cuboid shape to make it fit just so into a medium hangar while maximizing the cargo capacity but sacrificing speed and agility in the process.

But I'm repeating myself.

such a ship would offer little or nothing new to the game.
its pathetically easy to go from sidewinder to cobra MK3 so i doubt many people would have a need or a want for a eagle side-grade (a ship that is already a sidewinder side-grade)

 

[MEBH]

such a ship would offer little or nothing new to the game.
its pathetically easy to go from sidewinder to cobra MK3 so i doubt many people would have a need or a want for a eagle side-grade (a ship that is already a sidewinder side-grade)

I agree, ZP (known as Zee Pee Gee in the original game) look to go for the niche market with their FDL and probably bought the Adder because as stated in the manual for the ship "The Adder-class craft has dual atmospheric-spacial capability and is often used by smugglers. Pregg's 'wingfold' system permits landing on planetary surfaces." I'm hoping that is the advantage it has when they add atmospheric planets, is that the little Adder has a smoother time with them, along with the FDL

 

[Gryphorim]

Faulcon DeLacey probably won't let them compete directly with the Python as a multirole ship, but a downgunned pure trader using Zorgon-Peterson design aesthetics would beat the pants off the ugly, awkward red-headed stepchild that is the Type 7.

In past games that was the ZPG Puma, wasn't it? I'd like to see that. I'd suggest giving it a pair of small hardpoints in the nose, and a large on belly and one on dorsal rear. Well armed, but hampered by distributor. Give it mid-body bridge like Ferdie, and ZPG's lifting-body shape, re-useing old Ferdie art with the rounded nose.
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