Elite Dangerous Black Friday Event | Midnight Black Paint Jobs Now In Store!

[aRJay]

Weeeeeell reclines in armchair dev couch

all we want is Midnight black paints, not 1am Black, Thursday Server Downtime Black™, Pantone 6C black, Johnny Nice Painter BLACCKKKK or Bluey-black Caribbean Honeymoon Night Sky black. It just needs to be black, not too shiny, not to blue, and not too black (but it has to be noir) black.

I hope this helps the art guys and makes it clear what We™ want.

Well if we are really going to define the Black we want I suggest going old school as illustrated by this quote from Grey Lensman.

“Well, we have a black coating now that’s ninety-nine percent absorptive, and I don’t need ports or windows. At that, though, one percent reflection would be enough to give me away at a critical time. How’d it be to put a couple of the boys on that job? Have them put a decimal point after the ninety nine and see how many nines they can tack on behind it?”

Back some decades ago when I used to target shoot with air pistols the way to ensure a properly black sight was to cover it with soot usually from an acetylene flame obtained by adding water to calcium carbide. The thing with soot isn’t that it is just black but it has a very fuzzy surface so minimal reflection.

 

[CaptnPicard2305]

All this reinforces the fact that FDev should offer a 10 minute 'refund window' for paint jobs, so the purchaser could either -

a) accept what they have received, or

b) challenge the accuracy of the product description and request a refund if necessary.

At the moment paint jobs are being sold online without any guarentee to the customer and with no cooling-off period.

For making an online purchase, this is perhaps not an acceptable business practice.

Players should have the ability to test that the paint job is of an acceptable quality to them (i e. by moving the camera around to examine a full, brightly lit, 360 degree view) and to then stop, back out, and prevent the transaction going through if it isn't.

Perhaps the Community Managers could raise this concern to upper management?

 

[ubermick]

At the moment paint jobs are being sold online without any guarentee to the customer and with no cooling-off period.

For making an online purchase, this is perhaps not an acceptable business practice.

I mean...

2,600 arx costs about £1.50 at their most expensive, or £1.17 if you buy the big pack. Or six-ish weeks of play you get 'em for free. If the loss of that amount of money is impactful, then spending it on pretend money in a computer game shouldn't be happening in the first place.

I get that people expect their black ships to somehow be outfitted with stealth technology, or that paint is made from the contents of a black hole where no light can escape. Ironically if they were darkened to the point of invisibility, people would complain about them being too dark.

 

[V'larr]

Just to add a bit of (I wanted to say, shed some light) topping to this - it's not (as it stands) the paint jobs that are the issue with differences between Horizons and Odyssey, it's the lighting changes and the impact that has on how the paint looks. I've not got anything more on that really but I'll keep spreading the thoughts along.

I think they're aware it's due to the lighting. The issue is the paintjobs have not been changed to maintain their original look in the new lighting system.

CMDR X's example on the previous page is a perfect example.

 

[thistle]

All this reinforces the fact that FDev should offer a 10 minute 'refund window' for paint jobs, so the purchaser could either -

a) accept what they have received, or

b) challenge the accuracy of the product description and request a refund if necessary.

At the moment paint jobs are being sold online without any guarentee to the customer and with no cooling-off period.

For making an online purchase, this is perhaps not an acceptable business practice.

Players should have the ability to test that the paint job is of an acceptable quality to them (i e. by moving the camera around to examine a full, brightly lit, 360 degree view) and to then stop, back out, and prevent the transaction going through if it isn't.

Perhaps the Community Managers could raise this concern to upper management?

 

[Rhaazerus Orzhov]

All this reinforces the fact that FDev should offer a 10 minute 'refund window' for paint jobs, so the purchaser could either -

a) accept what they have received, or

b) challenge the accuracy of the product description and request a refund if necessary.

At the moment paint jobs are being sold online without any guarentee to the customer and with no cooling-off period.

For making an online purchase, this is perhaps not an acceptable business practice.

Players should have the ability to test that the paint job is of an acceptable quality to them (i e. by moving the camera around to examine a full, brightly lit, 360 degree view) and to then stop, back out, and prevent the transaction going through if it isn't.

Perhaps the Community Managers could raise this concern to upper management?

......you know you can preview paint jobs, on your ship, in the game right?

 

[HRDiagram]

Players should have the ability to test that the paint job is of an acceptable quality to them (i e. by moving the camera around to examine a full, brightly lit, 360 degree view) and to then stop, back out, and prevent the transaction going through if it isn't.

Just in case you didn't know, you can already preview any paintjob on any ship (even those you don't own), with a fully rotating camera and brightly lit environment.
From the main game menu >game extras > vehicle extras (or smth similar).

 

[metatheurgist]

Yes, even darker than Aislings soul.

Wow, darker than the souls of all Aislings, plural. That's dark.

 

[Kimosabe_X]

......you know you can preview paint jobs, on your ship, in the game right?

But one can do this ingame only in some (mostoften) poorly lighted hangars and one can't even move the camera around the ship.
Oh and it depends on the ship type, the bigger the ship, the badder the preview...

My 2 ct. ymmv

 

[CMDR X]

One Horizons, the other Odyssey?

Affirmative. Can you guess which is which?

 

[Moirai]

I think they're aware it's due to the lighting. The issue is the paintjobs have not been changed to maintain their original look in the new lighting system.

CMDR X's example on the previous page is a perfect example.

Indeed. Introducing Horizons into the mix takes it beyond how one particular texture set behaves under one type of shader lighting config, to the difference between two completely different shader sets.

Nobody at FDev is going to touch the shaders to account for how one texture set behaves. However, I guess it's possible that there might be a teeny smidgen of a chance they might tweak that texture set to 'adjust' its response to that lighting. But, I wouldn't hang my hat on it...

Bottom line, I like the paintjob. It's great. However, if it looked like the second image I posted all the time, I would like it more. It's not a deal breaker for me though.

 

[Moirai]

Affirmative. Can you guess which is which?

Indeed. The very shiny reflective one is Odyssey. As I said, it's more geared towards directional lighting that diffuse.

I get it, since diffuse tends to make scenes look flatter and directional gives more depth through greater contrast between light and dark. But, it's a little bit overboard I think.

 

[CMDR X]

..Bottom line, I like the paintjob. It's great..

Agreed. I have Midnight Black for most of my ships.

 

[Darrack]

Agreed. I have Midnight Black for most of my ships.

I have the paint for all of my ships and although it does look different in some stations depending on lighting its mainly the jet black feel i wanted.
No complaints from me.

O7

 

[amigacooke]

Weeeeeell reclines in armchair dev couch

all we want is Midnight black paints, not 1am Black, Thursday Server Downtime Black™, Pantone 6C black, Johnny Nice Painter BLACCKKKK or Bluey-black Caribbean Honeymoon Night Sky black. It just needs to be black, not too shiny, not to blue, and not too black (but it has to be noir) black.

I hope this helps the art guys and makes it clear what We™ want.

I suspect if Midnight black looked the same in Odyssey as it did in Elite Dangerous Legacy, most would be happy.

I'm interested to know what the 20% off is, was the price 20% more last year?

 

[Fnord Velkor]

All this reinforces the fact that FDev should offer a 10 minute 'refund window' for paint jobs, so the purchaser could either -

a) accept what they have received, or

b) challenge the accuracy of the product description and request a refund if necessary.

At the moment paint jobs are being sold online without any guarentee to the customer and with no cooling-off period.

For making an online purchase, this is perhaps not an acceptable business practice.

Players should have the ability to test that the paint job is of an acceptable quality to them (i e. by moving the camera around to examine a full, brightly lit, 360 degree view) and to then stop, back out, and prevent the transaction going through if it isn't.

Perhaps the Community Managers could raise this concern to upper management?

My biggest annoyance about the Arxses system is that you don't actually have a receipt / proof of purchase for what you paid for. In your User Portal ( https://user.frontierstore.net/ ) you can see Arx transactions where each has a transaction reference number but no indication of what it was for and no way to access the transaction reference number. Support can access that data to check what was actually purchased but we can just whistle in the dark otherwise.

 

[HRDiagram]

My biggest annoyance about the Arxses system is that you don't actually have a receipt / proof of purchase for what you paid for. In your User Portal ( https://user.frontierstore.net/ ) you can see Arx transactions where each has a transaction reference number but no indication of what it was for and no way to access the transaction reference number. Support can access that data to check what was actually purchased but we can just whistle in the dark otherwise.

I've purchased arx a few days ago and I have received an invoice via email from Frontier, vith order number, billing information, VAT, etc.
Perhaps you got your invoices in the spam folder?

 

[zimms]

Yeah, I really don't think "can't make everyone happy" applies here. There's only one way they have to look like - as advertised in the store.

 

[Fnord Velkor]

I've purchased arx a few days ago and I have received an invoice via email from Frontier, vith order number, billing information, VAT, etc.
Perhaps you got your invoices in the spam folder?

You miss the point - I am referring to Arx purchases - i.e. things you buy with Arx - not the purchase of Arx packs.

 

[HRDiagram]

But one can do this ingame only in some (mostoften) poorly lighted hangars and one can't even move the camera around the ship.
Oh and it depends on the ship type, the bigger the ship, the badder the preview...

My 2 ct. ymmv

As per my comment, two above yours, you can actually see any paintjob on any ship in full lighting condition and at any angle.