Internet Connection Poll

[Virgil Kyle]

FYI, this poll does relate to the whole SP-offline furor that's going on, but I think it's important to find out some real information about how many people this issue is actually effecting, and why. In that spirit, please, as many people as possible, vote in this poll! Try to choose the option that best or most accurately sums up what your issue (or lack thereof) might be. I tried my best to write some good options for the poll, but I know not every response will fit neatly into a category, so please just answer as best you can. I think it will be very informative for all involved, and provide some precious clarification on the actual numbers of people substantively effected (and unaffected) by FD's recent announcement.


Thanks for voting!


EDIT: For the record, my internet connection is not an issue for me, but it seems like it is a very real issue for a sizeable portion of people, so I really think FD would benefit from actual numbers in regards to this very serious issue. Thanks for helping the process with your vote

 

[Hermit]

What poll?

 

[Roobarb]

Just like the spoon, there is no poll.


Oh, and I'm on 45MB Fibre. Everything is fast. Everything works.

 

[Hermit]

I think one of the devs did a thread on people's connection status, but I can't find it.

 

[Skeeter]

100mb down and 6mb with uk virgin media. £26.50pm (no phone line )

If this came out about 5-10 years ago i would have fumed at the no offline play probably cos of adsl or adsl2 being crap where i live but cable/fiber whatever u like to call it, is mint.

I dont envy players tho that live in villages etc in the UK as they have really bad net or no net at all in some regions.

 

[CMDR Texas Stu]

You have to write the post then the poll. I imagine it will show up shortly?

 

[Hermit]

Wait...I've found the dev thread:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=21998

 

[Yaffle]

Virgil

Let me know by PM what poll options you want and we can probably make it happen for you.

In the interim the link Hermit shows has more detail.

 

[Virgil Kyle]

Virgil

Let me know by PM what poll options you want and we can probably make it happen for you.

In the interim the link Hermit shows has more detail.

Uh, just saw your post. Whoops Are the options I came up with all right? I tried to be detailed, but keep it simple enough that it works towards the purpose that it's intended for.

 

[stimutacs]

My internet's great, it's just that getting to FD involves dealing with about 1000km of "my" internet, and tens of thousands of kilometers of not my internet.

 

[Diziet Sma]

I voted 'unreliable', though I may as well have voted 'completely unable'.

I have what is supposed to be an ADSL2+ connection, and when it actually works, it's fairly quick. But due to seriously crappy lines, which the phone company has no intention of fixing, the connection itself is unreliable as hell. It's a very rare occasion when I get half an hour of uninterrupted internet. If it's bad (which happens a lot) I may be disconnected every 20-40 seconds, for an hour or more at a time. Even when things are good, the connection will drop out every 5-10 minutes. Dropouts may last anywhere from a second to a minute or more. As you can imagine, large non-resumable downloads are a nightmare.

Utterly impossible, for online play.

(and no, changing provider won't help.. it all goes over the same copper wires)

 

[CATPAIN KIRK]

There are shabbier ISPs than mine, the problem is that thanks to the p2p nature of the game, it tries to connect me with people apparently using tin can telephones from time to time...

 

[Virgil Kyle]

There are shabbier ISPs than mine, the problem is that thanks to the p2p nature of the game, it tries to connect me with people apparently using tin can telephones from time to time...

It seems your answer would best be classified under Option 3, then...?

 

[Tim Wheatley]

Um, are you seriously polling on the internet expecting people without an internet connection, or an occasional connection, to answer you?

Maybe they'll answer when they get somewhere expecting to download their game...

 

[Virgil Kyle]

Um, are you seriously polling on the internet expecting people without an internet connection, or an occasional connection, to answer you?

Maybe they'll answer when they get somewhere expecting to download their game...

Please don't be negative. The 'No Single Player offline Mode then?' thread has 80+ posts for a reason. Just because folks can't play ED on their internet connection doesn't necessarily mean they don't HAVE an internet connection at all. I know many people can post from their phones, from other's computers or from a library, etc. The wording of the poll reflects this. I know you're upset (I was reading the other thread, and saw your posts), but don't lash out indiscriminately. I'm trying to help.

 

[Tim Wheatley]

Please don't be negative. The 'No Single Player offline Mode then?' thread has 80+ posts for a reason.

Just stating a fact. Many most affected by this won't even know about it yet. That 80 might just be the tip of the iceberg. Polling requires a cross-section of the affected audience and this actually misses those most affected. Not negativity, just logic.

 

[CATPAIN KIRK]

It seems your answer would best be classified under Option 3, then...?

Not really - it's not my connections fault (ping could be better, but I'm doing perfectly fine in other games).

 

[Virgil Kyle]

Just stating a fact. Many most affected by this won't even know about it yet. That 80 might just be the tip of the iceberg. Polling requires a cross-section of the affected audience and this actually misses those most affected. Not negativity, just logic.

Well, thanks for clearing things up Understand, I'm doing the best I can through this forum. It would be great if we could do as you suggest, but we have to use the limited tools we have access to, unfortunately...


EDIT: It also occurs to me that you may be referring to the timing of the posting of this poll, which is admittedly at a time when most aren't online. Blame it on the fact that I'm a night owl But seriously, I'm hoping this thread gets popular enough, for long enough, to address the issue of sample size, at least. Again, I'm doing the best I know how to do

 

[Virgil Kyle]

And today on spot the logical fallacy we have -

Confirmational bias, correlation proves causation, no true scotsman, straw man and red herring. And that's just the obvious ones. Good grief. Can you at least please try to be at least slightly less terrible when you load the question of a poll in such a way as to attempt to muddy the water as regards to the mess that has been made? The quality of the connection is absolutely irrelevant to whether Single player offline is a requirement for some people *ticks off Red herring*, the users of this forum are predominantly all people who have been active alpha and beta testers and are therefore highly likely to have excellent connections *ticks off confirmational bias*, your poll list noticably by absence avoids the choice for "my connection has no bearing on my desire for a single player mode" and falsely assumes that everyone -wants- to be connected *ticks off no true scotsman AND correlation proves causation* and in sum creates an argument based on a pyramid of false premises *ticks off Straw man*.

Well done, that's five. In one poll. And I'm mostly asleep and not even paying attention. Good god. Please, people, just stop. Just... stop. Until Frontier Developments makes some kind of statement, just stop making things worse. Gah. I'm going to bed.

My main interest was in having folks weigh in on the issues that are ACTUALLY PREVENTING them from playing in Online single-player. PREFERRING to play offline is an important issue, but that is a separate and, I would argue, less important issue then ACTUAL barriers to play.


But, hey, here's an idea - Make your own, better poll! Or just get out of mine. Preferably both


God, I cannot stand when someone complains seemingly just to show off how much smarter than you they are, and to stir up crap. Be part of the solution, or get out.

 

[ThatFuzzyTiger]

So your response is to throw out a snide remark, classy No, having the choice of being able to play offline is no less important than being forced to play offline due to connectivity issues. The choice needs to be present to render the discussion around connectivity moot, thus your poll is essentially white noise. The real question is about the removal of the choice to begin with, and that's where people should be focussing their attention.

Do better, particularly with polls. This one serves no logical purpose, right now the only thing that really matters is Frontier Development's next move. Everything we do here is pretty much going to be shouting on soapboxes, but for the sake of logical sanity, at least try to shout coherently.