While understanding the reasons, I still dont understand why this wasnt made public way earlier. And thats where it starts to smell. I hope - and I am still confident - that this is the only point that has been scrubbed for the release. If not, have fun with being ripped off by metacritic, game-magazines, and the community, especially the betatesters that sent a lot of tickets and spent a couple of hundred hours playing the beta.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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While understanding the reasons, I still dont understand why this wasnt made public way earlier. And thats where it starts to smell. I hope - and I am still confident - that this is the only point that has been scrubbed for the release. If not, have fun with being ripped off by metacritic, game-magazines, and the community, especially the betatesters that sent a lot of tickets and spent a couple of hundred hours playing the beta.
Just so I have this clear in my head, are you saying it's impossible to achieve an offline mode, or that currently it is unfeasible due to resource/time/finance restrictions?
If it is the former, then I think you guys need to take a step back, (which you have already initiated), give it a few months, a year or whatever and rethink it once the resources/time/finances allow. Because we both know that nothing is impossible with software.
If on the other hand it is the latter, then follow the exact same advice ;P
With both eventualities release a public statement, (sooner rather than later), saying that offline was cut because of delays it would have caused to the release, (but do it properly this time), and that you will revisit the offline mode at future date.
Not only will this restore good faith, (for some or maybe even most), but it will placate the fence sitters; lets face it, the majority of us have been waiting 30 years already, another 12 months isn't going to kill most people.
P.S. This post may seem arrogant or condescending, but it is not intended that way; I know you are professionals, but when transparency starts to become opaque and bomb shells start fragmenting it's usually best to do something quickly.
thats stupid
i have dongles orange/vodphone/3 and there are many places in the uk were none of them will connect especialy the furter north you get
and even if they do connect you cant play online with them
and if you can they just eat up the credit
i sweden a couple of weeks ago a local lad lent me his comvic dongle, i bought 3gb topup (15£) it lasted 2hours,, no credit left
Always online is a part of DRM. I'll ignore your strawman.
So far, the promise of a fully-offline mode has meant I've been less critical of the shaky networking - if all else fails, I could enjoy ED offline. The removal of offline mode is disappointing, because now there's a risk of a 'Sim City'-style backlash where few people can play on the launch day because the servers melt. I'm certainly not about to decry the game and flounce off, but it's somewhat depressing.
As other people have no doubt said, the reliance on an online component means it's pretty unlikely people will be playing Elite Dangerous in another thirty years' time.
In pretty much every other way, though, ED has surpassed my expectations, and I do thank the Frontier team for all the work they've done and are continuing to do.
As other people have no doubt said, the reliance on an online component means it's pretty unlikely people will be playing Elite Dangerous in another thirty years' time.
In pretty much every other way, though, ED has surpassed my expectations, and I do thank the Frontier team for all the work they've done and are continuing to do.
I don't like how you like to make any one with genuine grievances feel small, stupid and insignificant. Theres been helluva lot of "deflecting or ignorance" of this.
Always online, is DRM. If no internet, no way to authenticate legitimacy of game files then no way to play.
As i understand it and from a very old and tired memory ......
There are to be 3 Commander slots that will be available. These were not to be interchangeable and were to be used for the 3 different forms of the game.
1.Online (PvP)
2.Online (Solo)
3. Offline
Well thats how i understood the slots and i am sure that somewhere there are vids/posts by DB et al explaining the reasons for having the 3 and why they would not be allowed to be transfered from 1 to the other.
Obviously i stand to be shot down in a hail of laser fire but please be gentle i am getting on a bit in years .
Lack of Offline will not stop me playing whilst at home but when away i will struggle but its the fact that the option to play offline is no longer there when i always thought it would be.
Hats off to the Devs for the version available to test at the moment but remember this
It takes a lifetime to earn a reputation and a minute to destroy it.
There are to be 3 Commander slots that will be available. These were not to be interchangeable and were to be used for the 3 different forms of the game.
1.Online (PvP)
2.Online (Solo)
3. Offline
Well thats how i understood the slots and i am sure that somewhere there are vids/posts by DB et al explaining the reasons for having the 3 and why they would not be allowed to be transfered from 1 to the other.
Obviously i stand to be shot down in a hail of laser fire but please be gentle i am getting on a bit in years .
Lack of Offline will not stop me playing whilst at home but when away i will struggle but its the fact that the option to play offline is no longer there when i always thought it would be.
Hats off to the Devs for the version available to test at the moment but remember this
It takes a lifetime to earn a reputation and a minute to destroy it.
I'm not saying you and the rest of the guys don't care about ED Michael. That's not in question and not what I'm saying.
You've stated previously that you weren't going to do an offline mode because the mode would be compromised, static and otherwise inferior to the online universe. I'm saying that the people who, rightly or wrongly were expecting that offline mode knew that said mode was going to be compromised and less dynamic than the online galaxy and wanted the offline mode anyway. They're not interested in whether or not the ED online galaxy is going to evolve and change without them. They just want to be able to play ED without having to worry about whether or not they can connect to the online galaxy.
Should get an internet connection installed then, either way pretending that either is impossible is not logical when one admits to spending £700 getting the PC "Elite rdy".
For instance...
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comme..._braben_cocreator_of_elite_creator_of/c7ocvoj
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comme..._braben_cocreator_of_elite_creator_of/c7oh334
All servers will be run by Frontier, but they are building in a failsafe for the future should they ever decide to switch them off, so that you can still play single player.
Until then you have the option for permanent offline single player
OR
synced single player - limited group multiplayer - unlimited multiplayer
The last 3 share the same universe, so what happens in SSP, LGMP or ULMP affects the other 2 - BUT in SSP you are the only PC and in LGMP you only play with people you want to - so no griefing
And griefing will also be combated in ULMP by use of a bounty system and NPC police close to core planets and stations.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comme..._braben_cocreator_of_elite_creator_of/c7occpw
Space is bigMost of the galaxy is unexplored when the game begins and there are plenty of resources to be discovered.
There will also be an offline single player mode.
That I believe is the current plan, however what you use those Commander slots for, is up to you.
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It was never promised, it was given as an option. Time and money have been spent on that option to find it's not feasible without infinite time, money and resource - something a commercial project does not have.
To suggest "FD pulls [its] finger out" - what do you think they have been doing for the last few years?
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post Kickstarter.
That is simply not the impression that has been given across multiple sites up until last night's newsletter.
The understanding was that the galaxy existed on your local machine (through PG & some hand crafting) & the background simulation would push down updates to the galaxy on your machine.
Offline mode would simply mean "no background sim updates". The galaxy would remain generally static in this mode. Not as rich, perhaps lacking some content, but playable nonetheless.
That was the vision that was originally pitched and sold, and up until last night, it was the vision we were all (well, a lot of us, besides those who are blinded by the online thing) buying into.
A fundamental shift away from this core idea is something that should have been communicated to the backers a lot sooner & in a better way than it has been. I don't necessarily approve of the term "cash grab", but I can certainly understand it.
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You'll still get it. It'll still be DRM free and you can install it on multiple machines. You can only use one copy at a time as you'll need to log in.
What's your point?
EXACTLY! If people are complaining about their internet or lack of, they will most definitely complain when their computer catches fire trying to run a client and server for this game.
The 3 commander slots could be used in any way the player wished. A player could always move freely between all modes of the game apart from offline to online -which is no longer relevant- there was never any intent to make the different modes not interchangable as far as i know.
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Having a constant connection is still DRM.
Pretty sure now it's the latter but for very good reasons.
I think if the actual online game succeeds, in 30 years time, ED or third parties will have created a standalone offline legacy package to keep us and our kids playing, but I would accept that it's not feasible for a game due to be released in 2014 or 2015 and would actually block the success ED needs to be relevant in 30 years' time.
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