But even if support continues for 3 more years (which would be veryong for a game that just finished its third year), that's still only 69 habitat animals if we continue with the current trend. That's not an infinite amount. Prioritizing is realistic and necessary if we want to have a serious discussion.
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Thinking about it that's not really that much animals. Africa alone could easily be triple that number if we are talking about 'completing' rosters
Again, "but even if support continues for 3 more years" is an arbitrary limitation that has exactly zero real meaning. It's a self-limitation.
We know support won't be infinite, but what difference does it make? I'm still putting ten thousand antelope on my wishlist. The odds of getting any animal you want are the same no matter what.
I'm not sure I completely get what you're saying.
It's not arbitrary limitation, but rather realistic one, (also a generous one - the 3yrs), and with each passing year, relevance of such limitation becomes more and more relevant.
And then some animals become way more valuable picks than others. The odds of me getting Wolverine with three more years on the line are much higher, depending on how far they plan their DLCs, compared to let's say half a year more of support.
My wishlists differ wildly depending on how many slots are left, because of course some animals are more needed than others.
Just want to point out to a lot of people (too many to quote) that “wallaby” and ”kangaroo” are not species any more than “antelope” or “deer” are. We don’t have ‘the wallaby’ or ‘the kangaroo’ in-game. We have a wallaby and a kangaroo,
I disagree. IMO, an assumption of infinite support means that wish lists have no meaning… then I just want all the animals - why select at all? Any wish-list effectively pre-supposes limited support (except where people actively dislike or have a phobia maybe).
If its a reference to my comment, well generalising animals is pretty common in the UK. It's like I can go hill walking (hiking) and spot some deer, now I know I'm gonna see red deer but unless someone you asks for an id they are simply deer.
Thanks for the grammar class but unless we get a second wallaby or a second kangaroo species (I’d curb my expectations for both) they will be the kangaroo and the wallaby.
It was directed at lots of people…
I don’t expect more but I do want more. In any case I object to people saying that, now we have ‘the wallaby’ in-game. When we only had reindeer we didn’t have ‘the deer’ and it would have been ridiculous to say that ‘deer’ were, or are, covered.
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After seeing the guests being able to "interact" with the butterflies, rainbow lorikeets feels like a even more logical place to go with the exhibits
Sarcasm is nice and all, but hes not wrong. Yes they are the wallaby and the kangaroo in the game, but in a thread discussing australias state and the fact that macropods are basicly australias ungulates requesting more really isnt weird.
Hell, i listed all cool additions for macropods recently and had 5 different and surprisingly distinct macropods that live in international collections like the common walleroo, the parmas wallaby, the yellow footed rock wallaby, the stinky wallaby and the dusky pardermelon if i havent forgot any of the ones i mentioned.
And really, macropods are still on the table, with my money being on this guy
Cute, pretty, distinct looking, borderline a reskin, these guys would be a great and sensible addition to a desert or even mountains pack.
It could easily be the spectacle caiman of a potential desert pack, but like in a good way and i say that as someone who likes the spectacle caiman
I'd wager that upwards of 75% of the non-aviary Australian sections in US zoos can be recreated with the emu, red kangaroo, and Bennett's wallaby. From that perspective (and I'm not saying it's a good one, but it's no doubt going to be a common one as we've already seen), Australia may well actually be considered "complete".
I'll reiterate my first post in this thread that I'm just glad that Australia is finally usable at a baseline level. We still only have a bare minimum number of options to distinguish one zoo's Oceania (read: Australia) section from the next, but at least we finally do have proper options. At bare minimum I'd still like to see a tree kangaroo, the devil, short-beaked echidna, and North Island brown kiwi. Personally I could do without the devil, and I likely wouldn't use the kiwi often, but I'm not going to ignore that they're both important for different reasons.
I've been meaning to actually start a life list of species seen in zoos, but off the top of my head, here's the Oceanian species I've seen:
I'll reiterate my first post in this thread that I'm just glad that Australia is finally usable at a baseline level. We still only have a bare minimum number of options to distinguish one zoo's Oceania (read: Australia) section from the next, but at least we finally do have proper options. At bare minimum I'd still like to see a tree kangaroo, the devil, short-beaked echidna, and North Island brown kiwi. Personally I could do without the devil, and I likely wouldn't use the kiwi often, but I'm not going to ignore that they're both important for different reasons.
I've been meaning to actually start a life list of species seen in zoos, but off the top of my head, here's the Oceanian species I've seen:
- Red kangaroo
- Western grey kangaroo
- Matschie's tree kangaroo
- Bennett's wallaby
- Swamp wallaby
- Koala
- Southern hairy-nosed wombat
- Short-beaked echidna
- Emu
- Southern cassowary
- Black swan
- Cape barren goose
- Victoria crowned pigeon
- Kunekune (lol)
- Laughing kookaburra
- Tawny frogmouth
- Rainbow lorikeet
- Budgerigar
- Sulphur-crested cockatoo
- Queensland redclaw
- Magnificent tree frog
- Spiny-tailed monitor
- Frilled lizard
- Australian water dragon
I’d be very surprised if 75% had the red (rather than one of the grey) kangaroo
Per ZooChat, 224 US zoos keep red kangaroos. 36 keep one or both greys.
Edit: to be clear, I wasn't saying that 75% of zoos necessarily have red kangaroos, but instead that 75% of zoos' collections consist of nothing more than red kangaroos, Bennett's wallabies, and emus. There doesn't seem to be a conclusive number of American zoos anywhere, but it does seem like red kangaroos are in somewhere from 40-50% of them/
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The thing is, wishlists actually don't have any meaning. I can't imagine why anyone thinks they would. We're just shouting into the void. Whether Frontier chooses animals off a wishlist or not can always be assumed to be coincidental, since community wishes are only part of the reason why they choose specific animals (according to dev interviews and such).
You 'select' based on your own imagined priorities, and an equally imagined end-date. As I said, we know support won't be infinite, but setting yourself a limitation is equally as meaningful as assuming no limitation, so why bother?
Says who? Frontier certainly never said that.
Greys are quite unocommon compared to reds. Besides the numbers biggest dreamer provided for america, in the EAZA its 93 compared to 42 with grays.
Less extreme but still a clear trend
Said that they're ending support at some point?
I don't feel like it needs to be said, but rather that it's given. The question is just when.
As in when that is happening, no one knows, we can all make realistic guesses, but with each new DLC we are closer to it than to the release of the game.
Therefore it's completely reasonable to temper wishes based on latest packs when we see what we got and what yet MUST be in the game until there's no more support.
There's no such thing as a realistic guess.
Anyway, this all kind of proves my point; if you think about this disagreement, what is it really about? Something nobody actually knows; how long support will go on for. There's no valid response (or rather, there's no invalid response) because any estimations are completely made up and based on nothing other than what the individual thinks is "likely", which is again based on nothing.
We don't even know if we're getting an Easter DLC next year. A lot of people are assuming we are, but we don't actually know, and in that case, the likelihood of getting an Easter DLC next year is the same likelihood as getting one the year after, or the year after that; it's 50/50 because none of us actually know anything. We're all just preparing for the end so we aren't surprised, which is fine and fair, but when it comes to wishing for animals, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference whether you suggest one more wallaby or ten.