The Captive Breeding pack discussion

Y'all, I've been reading about these parrots that are captive, but only in their local range in conservation efforts, such as the kea, kākāpō, and Spix's macaw.

Now, what would y'all say to a pack that's dedicated to these types of animals? True, they aren't found in zoos and collections all over the world, but it would be a great DLC, in my opinion, to remind us about the dangers of destroying habitats and how captive breeding programs are essential.

Anyways, if I were to make a pack like this, this is what I'd do. It'd be a different format than usual, though:

  1. Kākāpō
  2. Père David's deer
  3. Alagoas currasow
  4. Spix's macaw (WE)
  5. Kea (WE)
But be honest y'all, what do y'all really think?
 
I would include sumatran rhino .
Despite popular belief out here it is in fact found in captivity in sumatra across 2 facilities. This species is subject of ongoing captive breeding programme, with goal of capturing every single wild invidual for breeding purpouses. There even was captive born calf last year.
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Wow, that's so cool. Hopefully they make a comeback.

The problem with this idea, I feel, is that some people will argue that it's "unfair" (for lack of a better word) that these animals are suffering in real-life while we can have a huge population of them in-game.
Another argument that I've seen is the whole "not common in zoos". I mean, like you said @Doran, the Sumatran rhino isn't common, but there is successful breeding. We have the proboscis monkey, too.

(By the way, I checked to make sure and the 5 species I chose are found in captivity one way or another, so it's not impossible either)
 
Hmm interesting idea similar to basically a conservation pack V2. Not sure about that many birds with frontiers method of forgetting about them, have like a walkthrough aviary bird to represent the parrots and include a diverse range of successful captive breeding animals that are different to the conservation pack like the above Sumatran rhino is a great example
 
My take is no, not because im against any of the animals, in fact i really wish for the peres david deer, but this is a zoo game, i want that animals found in zoos are the far priority here and i really dont need parrots not found in zoos when there are many many more that are found in zoos or a rhino thats not present in zoos when the black rhino is and i not even really want that one cause we could also have something else thats not a rhino instead.

So yeah of these id like the deer and kea and why?
Cause both are common zoo animals and really shouldnt even be in this pack lol
 
You could quite easily make a 'captive breeding pack' using animals either in or recommended for captive breeding in the Annamite Mountains of Vietnam and Laos - unfortunately, a lot of the endemic species there are on the brink of extinction now.

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1. Vietnamese crested argus - This critically endangered pheasant has the longest and broadest tail feathers of any bird, which it uses in its courtship display that is much like that of the great argus. They have been kept and bred in captivity since the 90s at Saigon Zoo, so they definitely represent a species which can survive in zoos. As far as I could find, the only place that keeps Vietnamese crested argus outside of their native range is in Japan.

2. Large-antlered muntjac - A secondary function for a saola breeding centre being constructed in Vietnam's Bach Ma National Park is to establish a conservation programme for the critically endangered large-antlered or giant muntjac, the biggest of the muntjac deer. While their population is following the same trajectory as the saola (as in plummeting), there are still a few places where they can be quite easily found, so locating and bringing them into the breeding centre would be easier, making them the best choice for an ungulate in this type of pack.

3. Annamite striped rabbit - Only discovered in 1996, this brightly coloured jungle rabbit is, like most smaller mammals, at high risk of snaring and so is listed as endangered. The IUCN has recommended that a captive breeding programme is established for this species in the near future, while their populations remain large enough so as to be detectable and in order to learn how they can be kept in case their population declines even further - their only relative, the Sumatran striped rabbit, has been kept successfully in European zoos in the past.

4. A douc langur - While the red-shanked douc is now kept in two zoos in Europe, they are bred in a number of zoos in their native range. The Endangered Primate Rescue Centre in Cuc Phuong National Park breeds not only red-shanked but the grey-shanked and black-shanked doucs (I haven't heard of anywhere else keeping these two species). They are colourful, sociable, highly endangered, can be bred in captivity and, almost uniquely among monkeys, would also use the brachiation climbing frame.

Exhibit. Vietnamese big-headed turtle - As far as I know, there is only one individual kept in a zoo outside of Vietnam (a male, imported to Norden's Ark in Sweden in 2021). They are bred in the Turtle Conservation Centre, also at Cuc Phuong National Park. This is a subspecies of the more widespread and widely-kept big-headed turtle, which has a head so large it cannot retreat into its shell, and is unusual among turtles in that it can climb waterfalls and even climb trees.

Alternative. Saola - Both the most obvious option and potentially the worst. Although construction on the Bach Ma breeding centre started in 2017, the animal was last recorded in the wild in 2013 and could possibly already be extinct. They are a beautiful animal and, perhaps surprisingly considering its rarity, there have been enough behavioural observations of earlier captive animals made that a pretty good likeness of the saola could be recreated in the game but their doubtful continued survival makes it difficult to recommend this species.

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Another option, massively preferable to the saola for me personally, could be the Owston's civet - although they are kept in four UK zoos, the bulk of their captive population is in the Carnivore and Pangolin Conservation Centre, again in Cuc Phuong National Park. They are a beautiful species, which conservationists have recently determined requires captive breeding for its continued survival.

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Such a pack could be used to raise awareness of the species themselves (which not many people have heard of) and the organisations working to protect these species:
The Carnivore and Pangolin Programme: https://svw.vn/conservation-breeding/
The Endangered Primate Rescue Centre: https://www.eprc.asia/
The Turtle Conservation Centre: https://asianturtleprogram.org/turtle-conservation-centre/
 
The Kea is quite common in zoos. The Spix macaw is not but Pairi Daiza, a zoo in Belgium, keeps them. They are part of a program with Brazilian conservationists to breed them in captivity and then release them into the wild in Brazil. The first ones were released in the wild last year so it's been a great success. Now, they are planning to release more individuals each year and they hope they will all start to breed in the wild so the species can be saved.

Other than that, I would not be super enthusiastic for a pack like this as I prefer to get species that are common in zoos. But I have to admit it would probably be helpful to educate people about those very endangered species.
 
I'd pondered something similar before and considered called it something like "Critically Endangered Pack" or "Brink Pack"

Other candidates I would consider:

  • Black Footed Ferret
  • Red Wolf
  • Golden Lion Tamarin
  • Whopping Crane
  • Nene
  • Northern Bald Ibis
  • Spoon-billed Sandpiper
  • California Condor
 
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