Why a second Giraffe, Lion, Zebra, and Flamingo are important (aka: Variety is the spice of life)
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Probably since at least 2 years
Yes but now it seems likely because they mentioned new projects. I don't mind extra giraffes or Lions etc but animals with unique rigs are more important to me.Probably since at least 2 years
I think it is as likely as every year and Frontier itself does not know it at this early stage of the year. The financial aspect and Profit with the game will play a role for Future. I mean If it should be still profitable in a higher way I can Imagine that we still could get animal packs with less bigger updates. No Scenery and less Game changing mechanics should allow a smaller Team.
But Future will Show what happens. I just repeat this Always because I think this fear of Close ending makes people sometimes "angry" or "unhappy" at DLC announcement about the animal choices within the Forum since more than 2 years.
Whether there only 1 year or five, a second giraffe or zebra would, IMO, be a waste - there are plenty of better choices that could fill that many slots, especially if flying birds ever become a thing.
Waste is a personal thing but I am also not a big fan of further subspecies at least. I do not believe flying birds will become a big thing outside the walkthrough exhibits. I mean at the moment everything regarding flying shows into that direction And within we could get a variety of very similar birds in one Pack like it was done with the Butterflies.
This is my priority list for future types of the animals you have there. The game should provide subspecies and species that different players are familiar with to make their dream zoos more authentic to their identities.
Tiger: Sumatran Tiger and perhaps Malayan Tiger
Rhinoceros: Black Rhinoceros
Elephant: Sumatran or Sri Lankan Elephant, perhaps African Forest Elephant (there are few in captivity)
Chimpanzee: Central Chimpanzee
Wolf: Red Wolf, Mexican Wolf
Brown Bear: Eurasian Brown Bear or Kodiak Bear
Penguin (many): Gentoo, Little, Southern Rockhopper, Chinstrap, Emperor and Humboldt
Lion: East African and Asiatic
Giraffe: Masai and Rothschild
Zebra: Different versions of Plains Zebra such as Burchell's and Grant's (which we already have), the Grevy's Zebra and Mountain Zebra
Ostrich: Somali Ostrich and Masai Ostrich
Gorilla: Don't know if we need one, as there is really only the Eastern Lowland Gorilla in captivity other than the Western which we already have, Mountain Gorillas are not in captivity.
Peafowl: Green Peafowl
Flamingo: I would go for the American, Lesser and Chilean Flamingos as well as the Greater which we have
Orangutan: Sumatran definitely
Otter: North American River Otter and Sea Otter
Tortoise: There are many such as African Spurred, Leopard, Radiated, Elongated, Red Footed, Indian Star and Ploughshare
Kangaroo: Western Grey Kangaroo
Crocodile: Many more, Nile Crocodile, American Crocodile, Cuban Crocodile, Freshwater Crocodile, Dwarf Crocodile, Slender Snouted Crocodile, Orinoco Crocodile, there are several
A few of my own:
Red Panda: Himalayan/white faced Red Panda
Wombat: Southern Hairy Nosed Wombat
Wallaby: Yellow Footed Rock Wallaby and Swamp Wallaby
Leopard: Sri Lankan and African, maybe Persian too
Tapir: South American Tapir
Lemur: Collared, Crowned, Mongoose Lemurs, Coquerel's Sifaka, Brown Lemur and Aye-Aye
Seal: Harbour Seal, Walrus, New Zealand Fur Seal and Australian Sea Lion, perhaps Brown Fur Seal and Northern Elephant Seal as well
Capuchin Monkey: Tufted Capuchin
Pangolin: Sunda Pangolin
Sheep: Bighorn, Aoudad, Himalayan Tahr and Markhor
Fruit Bat: Indian, Malayan and Straw Coloured
Lynx: Canada Lynx
Deer: Chital, White Tailed and Sambar
Black Bear: American Black Bear
Monitors: Perentie, Lace Monitor and Asian Water Monitor
Macaque: Rhesus and Crab-Eating
Armadillo: Brazilian Three Banded Armadillo
Antelope: Blackbuck, Greater Kudu, Klipspringer, Bontebok, Impala, Common Eland, Addax, Gerenuk, Saiga, Blue Duiker, Kirk's Dik-Dik, Nilgai, Giant Eland, Sitatunga, Yellow Backed Duiker, Soemmerring's Gazelle and Dama Gazelle
Fox: Bat Eared Fox
Gibbon: Lar Gibbon, Silvery Gibbon and White Cheeked
Crane: Demoiselle, Wattled, White Naped, Blue and Grey Crowned Crane
"Clone" in the context of this thread is any animal that looks similar and fits a similar habitat style in a zoo.
Not the best name but that's what we're working with.
The Black and White rhino are as similar as the Baird's and Brazilisn tapir. Both share biome and habitat, and differ a little in gepgraphic range, morphology and lifestyle
It is subjective. To me they look very similar.
The "objective" measure, taxonomically they are at the same distance, as different species in the same groups. Here are tapir pictures for comparison:
Yeah taxonomic relations arent the best indicator at showing how similar animals are. All placental mammals are more closely related to each other than crocodiles and alligators are for example
I understand that the game ultimately needs more breadth and that the so called "clones" could be modded in. HOWEVER, you can't use those mods in franchise which is what I play the most. I enjoy franchise because of the ability to trade animals between zoos and the idea of being in a progression that is linked to my in-game profile. IF the ability to have off-line "franchise" was added then I would be all for Frontier focusing on more broad taxa we don't have*. Then mods would be kind of allowed.
As the game is right now, I am for a second giraffe, zebra, desert fox (the beloved Bat-eared hint) etc... even a third tiger (we don't have the island clade of tiger but rather just two of the mainland population
That is why if Frontier adds birds fully I feel they need heavy representation to add at least two eagles, two ducks, multiple adorable songbirds, two doves/pigeons etc.. Idk what it is about multiple subkinds I personally enjoy, but I feel it adds spice because irl zoos have multiple types of doves/wolves/eagles/whatever to choose from when they plan exhibits.
*I also long for the ability to trade more directly with others. I might be able to convince my family to play if that feature was added and maybe even mods could be in our local market? Maybe????
As the game is right now, I am for a second giraffe, zebra, desert fox (the beloved Bat-eared hint) etc... even a third tiger (we don't have the island clade of tiger but rather just two of the mainland population
That is why if Frontier adds birds fully I feel they need heavy representation to add at least two eagles, two ducks, multiple adorable songbirds, two doves/pigeons etc.. Idk what it is about multiple subkinds I personally enjoy, but I feel it adds spice because irl zoos have multiple types of doves/wolves/eagles/whatever to choose from when they plan exhibits.*I also long for the ability to trade more directly with others. I might be able to convince my family to play if that feature was added and maybe even mods could be in our local market? Maybe????
I think that this is quite difficult to discuss because of how subjective this is. I think it's also good to point out the inconsistent and outdated taxonomic classification. For me personally, there are too many unique species that if this is the last year of DLC I wouldn't want a ton of species from already decently well-represented genera.
I do really think the Caribbean flamingo would be a great addition I would welcome it anytime. Other than that, I wouldn't want these types of animals quite yet.
I do really think the Caribbean flamingo would be a great addition I would welcome it anytime. Other than that, I wouldn't want these types of animals quite yet.
A casual player won't tell the difference, though
I remember a lot of people saying ''but we already got monkeys'' when we got the capuchin. Monkey is monkey, rhino is rhino, tortoise is tortoise. But tigers, lions, and leopards are all truly unique creatures. Seems like a lot of people are like this out there, sadly.
I think people can see the difference if they try. I just don't think they can see why it matters.
I will keep advocating for a second Lion - but have little hope of it happening. There are more scientific differences between southern and northern lions than there actually are between Amur/Siberian and Bengal Tigers. the two types of Lions differ more in size, appearance and behaviour (Northern male Lions tend to live alone, prides are much smaller etc). Southern Lions live in Savannah grassland and some in desert areas, Northern lions live in grassland, dry forests and, historically, temperate forests. Repurposing the current Lion as a Southern Lion and adding a northern lion which covers the Asian Lion (kept in breeding programmes at a few of my favourite Zoos) would be perfect imo.
I think the main reason people don’t want different subspecies of existing animals is because they take up ‘slots‘ and potentially reduce the chances of other animals….I get that but also wonder if some of those ’clones’ are easier to code and therefore mean that Frontier could actually release more animals in packs if included?
A DLC pack of ’clones’ - another Lion, Leopard, Giraffe, Rhino, Elephant etc - would actually be something i’d be more interested in than a birds pack personally. Those ‘iconic’ species are the ones I go to see at Zoos and hope to see in the wild one day in the future.
I think the main reason people don’t want different subspecies of existing animals is because they take up ‘slots‘ and potentially reduce the chances of other animals….I get that but also wonder if some of those ’clones’ are easier to code and therefore mean that Frontier could actually release more animals in packs if included?
A DLC pack of ’clones’ - another Lion, Leopard, Giraffe, Rhino, Elephant etc - would actually be something i’d be more interested in than a birds pack personally. Those ‘iconic’ species are the ones I go to see at Zoos and hope to see in the wild one day in the future.
Maybe that would be a good type of final pack - not so much a pack to wrap up some of the most wanted remaining animals, but ..something akin to an epilogue. Lower effort, still part of the game obviously but not something that people should get their hopes up to include completely new types of animals. Just something to give us a slightly deeper choice than what we have now, for these more high profile species.
Not directed at you on this part, but I should stress that again. The higher profile species. The bigger names, the traditionally more popular or iconic animals. I know that what's more popular will vary from person to person but thinking of it more of a whole. I'm not saying every species we only have 1 representative of should get another. I think as a whole player base, we're probably okay with 1 Armadillo, 1 Cassowary, 1 Pangolin, and so forth.
Also @RedPandaReggie that's a lot of animals on that list, over 100, and these are just the priorities? I'm not saying you can't put that out there, I'm just saying you're almost certainly going to have to rely on mods to get anywhere near close to that. Then again, keep reaching high, it's how progress and if you don't ask, you won't get.