No Single Player offline Mode then?

[Skeloton]

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Because he has a stake in the Offline circuit. And Mods are volunteers not paid staff.

 

[-o-]

****The ghost of mods past returns****

In these dark days, its good to see a friendly, familiar ghost waft by.

 

[Cmdr Cogg-Willoughby]

I think I am done with this thread. Hopefully some of you will try online mode time after time. It doesn't bite.

Please, for the sake of this thread being allowed to die, don't reconsider.
Congratulations though on having stuck at it whilst apparently missing the fundamental reason for peoples' discontent for three and a half thousand posts!

 

[Seonid]

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Chances are they didn't notice it was closed and posted by accident as the time-stamps are close.

 

[shabbyj]

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Was probably on a different page and just pressed reply and as mods can still post when its locked. It worked for them.

 

[WeirdWizard]

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He is entitled to his opinion same as you and probably didn't even notice the thread was closed. Calling it stoking is disingenuous.

 

[Memnoch]

I haven't read all 92 pages of this thread but I can only hope that for those most upset over this development it turns out that Solo Online will be enough for them to continue playing the game.

Whatever the reason for wanting a fully offline version of the game, an internet connection is going to be needed to download patches for the game, and I have heard that the bandwidth requirements of Solo are quite minimal so with some luck this won't impact those with limited broadband limits too badly.

 

[Steve50]

And in any case, do you actually play the 1984 Elite still? I sure don't. If and when Elite shuts down in the future, something else will take it's place. Games are a young art still, and a rapidly advancing one. Clinging to false permanence goes nowhere.

I still play the original BBC Elite and Frontier, yes. Actually I was playing Elite only 4 days ago.

 

[strangerdanger]

He is entitled to his opinion same as you and probably didn't even notice the thread was closed. Calling it stoking is disingenuous.

Yea, looked like an honest mistake to me.

 

[mbpoblet]

Which mainstream media? Only one link has been shared many pages ago, and that had only 3 FB likes. (probably from the reporter, his wife and the cat)

I don't know whether they're mainstream or not, but...

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/...ne-mode-backers-upset-and-asking-for-refunds/
http://www.themittani.com/news/elite-dangerous-beta-benefits-announced-offline-mode-axed
http://vrfocus.com/archives/8781/elite-dangerous-offline-mode-dropped-hit-community-backlash/
https://translate.google.ca/transla...en-Backer-empoert-1142823/&edit-text=&act=url
http://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/2mbjc1/elite_dangerous_promises_offline_mode_in/
http://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/2mev3v/elite_dangerous_offline_mode_dropped_hit_with/

Of course, it's sunday, so I wouldn't expect much till tomorrow.

In any case, you can keep updated by restricting a Google search to the last week (this gets results from before the newsletter, but the next option is last 24 hours):

https://www.google.com/search?q="elite+dangerous"+offline+-site:frontier.co.uk&tbs=qdr:w&qscrl=1 (I exclude Frontier's site to avoid flooding the search results with this monstrous thread and other related ones).

You can also then restrict the search to only "news", but I'm not sure what criteria Google uses to do that, and it might exclude important blogs and whatnot (it definitely doesn't include Reddit, for instance).

 

[littleminxundr]

Well Im not about to go back through the rest of your posts , but the way I see it is basically your having a moan for moaning sake then? Because you have just admitted you personally have no issues.

So what does this comes down to FD lying to you? You feel betrayed? Grow up ... Jeez ...

If you can personally play the game without issues and a lack of offline does not affect you in any way then whats the issue .. Really? Your just here to cause trouble as far as I am concerned, which could well have far reaching implications.

And yes as a shareholder I have a VESTED interest (as do others), so what happens here affects probably more than your little quibbles you have with FD ...

The age of self entitlement is upon us, and it doesnt seem to be going away any time soon.

[Clarification towards the moderators]
I don't want to set the fire on full bore after the 15minutes cooldown and I know about the rules of reacting to the person instead of to the post. I'm fully aware. Yet, this post has to be answered, if only to satisfy my sanity. Besides, I'm a woman and therefore can't be the better man. Sorry.

After communicating with Ian, I redact myself here. Carry on, nothing to see here. ^^
(Sorry for the facepalm, Ian. I hope it wasn't that epic one.)

 

[Quietman]

Which Braben specifically has referred to. I don't know what has possessed you to decide this means if the servers are to be shut down they wouldn't release the server code.

What possessed him is common sense and past history; you can count on one hand the number of commercial development studios that have released the full source code to their game engines and/or server infrastructures after they have gone bust.

Why? Well when an online game ceases functioning, it is usually due to it becoming financially insolvent and thus unable to pay off it's debts or keep up with it's creditors. If this happens bankruptcy and selling off of assets is usually one of the ways of proceeding forward, guess what assets a gaming studio usually has?

For online games that do end up being supported after they have ceased operating, it is usually because of ex-employees or dedicated and extremely talented fans of the game that rebuild from scratch whatever missing components, (i.e. server infrastructure), to get the game running again.

 

[Diziet Sma]

I dont think a single software purchase, ship skin sales, and expansion sales will fund continued support to fix bugs, add in additional content, optimize performance, and generate a profit for shareholders. There is a big piece of the funding model that isn't being disclosed yet, in my opinion.

Perhaps it's this:

From the ED Eula:

(emphasis mine)

8. In-Game Advertising
The Game may incorporate technology (which may be provided by Frontier or third party service providers engaged by Frontier (each a “Dynamic Advertising Provider”)) which enables advertising to be uploaded into the Game on your PC, and changed while the Game is being played on-line. In order that the Dynamic Advertising Provider is able to direct advertising appropriate to your Game and geographic region, as well as to the correct location within the computer game, certain non-personally identifiable data and information may be retrieved and retained by the Dynamic Advertising Provider including your I.P. address, geographic location, in-game position, and information concerning the appearance of advertising visible during your gameplay (for example, the length of time an item of advertising was visible, the dimensions of the advertisements). In addition, the Dynamic Advertising Provider may assign a unique identification number which is stored on your PC and which is used to monitor and calculate the number of views of dynamic advertising during gameplay. None of the information collected for this purpose including the identification number can be used to identify you.

The technology employed by Dynamic Advertising Providers may be located outside your country of residence (including outside of the European Union).

Where a Game incorporates dynamic advertising technology, the technology which serves the provision of dynamic in-game advertising is integrated within the Game. This means that if you do not want to receive dynamic advertising, you should only play the game when you are not connected to the Internet.

Isn't that just peachy? Targeted advertising, in your game! Is that an immersion-breaker, or what?

The bit I've highlighted at the very end is especially rich..

Because now, if you unplug, the game won't even work.. So you'll basically be forced to watch any advertising that FD care to sell to third parties. You can't even opt out... can you say "captive audience"? I knew you could!

Maybe it's not the whole reason for pulling offline play, but who's to say it wasn't a factor in the decision? If people can play offline, how can FD push advertising content to their game? And after all, we have no idea just who the anonymous investors that FD partnered with are.. (and please don't insult my intelligence by claiming there aren't any, everyone.. it's pretty clear the KS on its own wasn't sufficient to fund the game - that was about testing the waters.. seeing if sufficient demand was there - someone, or several someones, ponied up a big chunk of cash to help get ED made.)

(And it seem to me rather likely that the same anonymous investors could be behind the push to rush this game to market before it's truly ready)

 

[Perramas]

Whatever the reason for wanting a fully offline version of the game, an internet connection is going to be needed to download patches for the game, and I have heard that the bandwidth requirements of Solo are quite minimal so with some luck this won't impact those with limited broadband limits too badly.

The reason I wanted a fully offline version is because I do not want other people making the discoveries for me, crashing the markets, depleting rare resources and changing the game. I also do not want to have to compete against people in the markets who use RMT services to buy in game money.

 

[mbpoblet]

Wha the 180 page thread does illustrate is that FD should really work on their PR and communication.

Yes. It really does boil down to the way this has been communicated (2 years ago and this week).

Exactly.

The whole situation is already pretty irksome, but the way they are handling it, with an almost hidden reference in a newsletter (while all over the place offline mode is still being referred to), and particularly Brookes' dismissive posts, reeks of unprofessionality and disregard for the backers.

I'm sad to say Frontier's PR has fallen to the level of EA's, Microsoft's or Ubisoft's, and if they don't do something drastic the reaction is only going to get worse (and most affected people probably haven't even heard, yet).

 

[littleminxundr]

Perhaps it's this:

From the ED Eula:


The bit I've bolded at the end is especially rich..

Because now, if you unplug, the game won't even work.. So you'll basically be forced to watch any advertising that FD care to sell to third parties.. can you say "captive audience"?

Maybe not the whole reason for pulling offline play, but who's to say it didn't play a part? If people can play offline, how can FD push advertising to their game? After all, we have no idea just who the anonymous investors that FD partnered with are.. (and please don't claim there aren't any, everyone.. it's pretty clear the KS on its own wasn't sufficient to fund the game)

(And it seem to me rather likely that the same anonymous investors could be behind the push to rush this game to market before it's truly ready)

Well, if the age-demographic is anything to go by, I hope we don't end up with Depends bumperstickers on our ships.

 

[Quietman]

Perhaps it's this:

From the ED Eula:


The bit I've bolded at the end is especially rich..

Because now, if you unplug, the game won't even work.. So you'll basically be forced to watch any advertising that FD care to sell to third parties.. can you say "captive audience"?

I'm trying not to giggle, but great catch. Looks like there needs to be some quick edits Monday morning.

 

[Strykor]

Exactly.

The whole situation is already pretty irksome, but the way they are handling it, with an almost hidden reference in a newsletter (while all over the place offline mode is still being referred to), and particularly Brookes' dismissive posts, reeks of unprofessionality and disregard for the backers.

I'm sad to say Frontier's PR has fallen to the level of EA's, Microsoft's or Ubisoft's, and if they don't do something drastic the reaction is only going to get worse (and most affected people probably haven't even heard, yet).

When are gaming and ISP's going realise - consumers just want honest clear communications even if its bad news......

 

[xxThe_Dice_manxx]

The reason I wanted a fully offline version is because I do not want other people making the discoveries for me, crashing the markets, depleting rare resources and changing the game. I also do not want to have to compete against people in the markets who use RMT services to buy in game money.

Have you any comprehension of how big the galaxy is?

You can find your very own spot and stay there, most likey never see or be effected by anyone else ever.

 

[Ydiss]

Perhaps it's this:

From the ED Eula:


The bit I've bolded at the end is especially rich..

Because now, if you unplug, the game won't even work.. So you'll basically be forced to watch any advertising that FD care to sell to third parties.. can you say "captive audience"?

Maybe not the whole reason for pulling offline play, but who's to say it didn't play a part? If people can play offline, how can FD push advertising to their game? After all, we have no idea just who the anonymous investors that FD partnered with are.. (and please don't claim there aren't any, everyone.. it's pretty clear the KS on its own wasn't sufficient to fund the game)

(And it seem to me rather likely that the same anonymous investors could be behind the push to rush this game to market before it's truly ready)

The EULA is out of date. I imagine that will need to be changed.

Thanks for pointing it out.

I don't care about advertising; I welcome it, if it's done tastefully and non-intrusively, but perhaps there will be a way to remove it.

But perhaps not. Such is life.