You've not disproved the nested physics grids in Elite Dangerous, but you did just describe how grids work with Dynamic Server Meshing (and the associated instances)
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Ok, glitches can lead to unpredictable results, although the ability to glitch through the station in itself is interesting. However, it doesn't prove the physics grid thing one way or another. Remember what I said about instance merging, which is a well documented feature of ED. They move from one instance to another, and at that point, the physics grids become common, and with ships, it doesn't matter what way they are oriented, because they are just models, just like the player.
This is fascinating. Wondering if players have figured out how to get their disabled (and raided) ship to despawn.
You've not disproved the nested physics grids in Elite Dangerous, but you did just describe how grids work with Dynamic Server Meshing (and the associated instances)
I've not proved or disproved anything because its largely speculation. I think i have shown though that nested physics grids are not required, and Occams razor and all that...
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Not sure I understand you mate
Nested grids, each one with its own set of coordinates and physics, are indeed required in ED. Each star system in ED is a huge matrioska of nested grids. Without them, moving around on a planet or transitioning from a planet to another or to a station or to deep space would be near impossible.
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Not sure I understand you mate
And that is where i disagree. From my understanding of things, they are not required at all. Don't confuse physics grids with mechanics.
I feat you have fallen into the Chris Roberts trap of assuming that maximum fidelity is the only way of doing things.
Therefore I prescribe you take 3 Idris per day and call Jared in the morning
Viajero
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Ah ok, your issue is with "required". Fair enough. Not sure if those grids are strictly required but they do seem to exist in Elite. You still need coordinates to track stuff across the whole system. Fidelity or not.And that is where i disagree. From my understanding of things, they are not required at all. Don't confuse physics grids with mechanics.
I feat you have fallen into the Chris Roberts trap of assuming that maximum fidelity is the only way of doing things.
Therefore I prescribe you take 3 Idris per day and call Jared in the morning
So if you don’t think nested grids are necessary, strictly speaking I suppose one could conceive instead a model where absolutely all object coordinates in a star system in Elite were all directly based on a unique point as origin of coordinates for absolutely everything... Including, say, the coordinates of a player that moves in the interior of a fleet carrier that orbits a planet that is the satellite of a planet that is satellite of a gas giant that orbits around a secondary star that orbits around the focal point of the orbit with its primary star. I would not want to be the dev who has to make the code to calculate all those absolute coordinates plus specific and distinct physics for discrete and arbitrary regions of all that space, all managed from the same single origin of coordinates... I much rather like the idea of managing coordinates and physics on local more manageable grids that are nested to each other like they are in Elite, but hey, I am not a dev
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Yeah looks like it. When they got back to his ship (after an hour of fighting with hangar doors...) the soft death vessel was gone.
Has FDev ever done a presentation on how it actually works? If not 100% with you. And a goofy thing to argue about.
All I care about it how it feels as a player.
In 2012 we were told release would be around 2014! Genuine Roberts just needed a little bit more time and cash to finish what he'd been whittling away on for a year already, and much more than that things would begin to get stale.
2024 won't see a released game.
Neither will 2025, 2026, and for 2027 I bet Little Ant an Idris - it won't be out then either.
True. Games development is all smoke and mirrors, it would be insane if it were any other way.
You don't actually need to make it real. None of it is real.
Whatdoyoumeaaaannnnn ... it's out already!
Just this very day I saw Drew from the Twitch park his chariot, then get in a floaty train thing with chums, then rubberband violently through ugly pink clouds, clipping through buildings before arriving at his destination for a pretend pint in the bar. Drew chuckled nervously.
Gaming is saved.
Viajero
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Literally none of it is real, grids or not. For any game. So yeah. But you still need an efficient set of coordinates to track objects and physics in the system though.
Here's an interesting idea though. We know planets orbit in real time (with their own plane of gravity) in ED. We know there are some ridiculously close orbits in the game. Can we get a player on one body waving to another on a close body (with their own plane of gravity) that is close enough for you to see them (maybe via an executioner scope)? Would that satisfy you?And that is where i disagree. From my understanding of things, they are not required at all. Don't confuse physics grids with mechanics.
I feat you have fallen into the Chris Roberts trap of assuming that maximum fidelity is the only way of doing things.
Therefore I prescribe you take 3 Idris per day and call Jared in the morning
"Physics grids" are one of many meme techs of Star Citizen where they try to make 10 lines of code sound like some sort of gaming revolution. It's obvious from how you can fall through a moving ship that it's no fancier than the moving platform method that everyone else uses where you're copying a parent's translation/rotation and adding a force for gravity relative to the parent.
And you can see the lights of settlements from space in ED, but if you can be in space and see the lights of ground vehicles on a "planet" then your planets are ridiculously small, so small in fact the probably don't qualify as planets. On a proper sized planet you shouldn't be able to see ground vehicles from space, I mean how many cars and lights of individual cars can they see from the ISS? But they can see city lights, as you can in ED.
So I have been playing for a couple hours and have not any issues with the gameplay I am interested in. None.
If the gameplay i was interested in was walking around lorville until I starve to death.
If I wanted to do anything else, it is embarrassingly and horrifyingly broken.
I am getting like 70fps walking around lorville though. touching 90fps every now and then. Which is probably the best fps I've ever had here/there.
If the gameplay i was interested in was walking around lorville until I starve to death.
If I wanted to do anything else, it is embarrassingly and horrifyingly broken.
I am getting like 70fps walking around lorville though. touching 90fps every now and then. Which is probably the best fps I've ever had here/there.
So CI-G can sell you shades, obviously.