No Single Player offline Mode then?

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Cavendish101

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Pecisk said:
around 100k beta testers if I am precise. As you would figure out, almost all of them play online modes. Now, please, tell me, how many people won't buy this game only because it's not offline?
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Correct me if I am wrong, but are we not playing online modes right now because we have no choise?
 

OillyRag

OillyRag
Quietman said:
My kids used to use a line similar to yours when they were toddlers, it went something like this; I know you are but what am I.

Funnily enough your attempted insult had about the same effect as theirs used to.
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one insult deserves another .. now can we both stop being children and get back to the point in hand.
 

Adept

Adept
Pecisk said:
There are 140k backers of ED now, around 100k beta testers if I am precise. As you would figure out, almost all of them play online modes. Now, please, tell me, how many people won't buy this game only because it's not offline?

As I said, overstating your power in case of grievance to threaten game - no really way to pressure devs to rethink or give some ideas about future.
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Exactly this.

As for MMO probles of bots and hacks, the Private Group and Solo mode take care of those problems _if_ they appear.

I'd like to see the autopilot bot that somebody puts together to trade or mine on itself :D
 

Tim Wheatley

Tim Wheatley
deMangler said:
Actually - my post was in answer to your question. You are correct in that my questions have been answered by now. Sorry you do not see the benefit of my continuuing to post but if it seems to me to add to the thread then I may still post. Of course I will take criticism too and I thank you for it.
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Main reason for at least 100 of my posts in this thread has been to correct misinformed postings as best I could. I wouldn't be posting anymore if people accepted what Michael said and either committed to play solo, or asked for a refund. Then those who are for some reason trying to say offline was never happening, pointing out where it was mentioned as little as two weeks ago by devs in the forums here, by David on gaming sites, etc.
 

Jackruss

Jackruss
Theodrid said:
As a kickstarter backer totally unaffected by these developments I am astounded at Frontiers decision and chosen method of announcement on this issue. I have held fire for a couple of days on posting on this issue because I really wanted to let it sink in and post a measured response accordingly.

As to the reasons the decision was made, I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on that, however, as others have said, I am struggling to believe that it only became apparent that Single Offline wasn't viable in the last few days and this close to release. Surely it must have become apparent sometime ago that this was going to be the case, and as such, it should have been communicated to us, via the forums, and in the appropriate newsletter, as soon as it was so much as a possibility, let alone a 'tough decision made'.

Whether or not anything was 'promised' is fairly moot at this point, the point is that Frontier staff, (at least some culpability), and moderators, (not their fault), and the community at large thought there was the option of Single Offline still at 15:40 hours on Friday just gone, this is unacceptable. Whilst some of the people claiming they will take x, y or z legal action, report the issue, or in some way derail Frontiers launch event are, in my opinion, overeating, some of the people defending Frontier on this decision are equally as lamentable.

@ Frontier - You must realise, (and surely do), that crap sticks and becomes hard to wash off, some of those that have posted in this thread and others have been your most ardent backers and supporters, many of them have defended your policy and track record, sometimes rightly, sometimes not so much so. It was never their job to do so, nor was it requested by Frontier, however, do not underestimate what the good 'word of mouth' aspect has done for your name, your brand and your game. Also, do not underestimate how damaging it is or how long it will take to wash the stains out of the laundry from this mess of an announcement.

The omens are worrying to say the least now, we learn that the statement 'we are making the game we want to play' now actually reads, 'we are making a platform that may, one day, become the game we want to play'. We learn that a decent sized part of the proposed features may well permanently be on the cutting room floor, and, we have our faith shaken that if something as fundamental as an entire game mode can suddenly be 'not viable' then what next? It seems if something like that can be dropped then no proposal is safe, like it or not, some trust has gone Frontier, of course not from all, but from a percentage of fans, some heavily involved financially, be it in shares, pledge level or just 'word of mouth positives'. The problem is Frontier, that this is starting to smell like you are in a bit over your heads, be it financially or simply from an overreaching point of view, 'we will release when its ready' seems to have gone out of the window, it wasn't 'ready' before Fridays announcement and is even less 'ready' if fundamental features are being canned.

To those of you that cannot play without offline mode, or are at least affected by it, to a larger or smaller degree, you have my empathy and hopes that Frontier will change their minds on this, to posters arguing with those affected, some of you should take a step back and think, you really should. Many of us are backers of Elite Dangerous, very nearly all of us are supporters of Frontier, we of course can have differing views on Supercruise and mining, without doubt, but the rug being pulled out from under the feet of some of us affects us all, it may be you or me next, it may be a feature we consider vital next, it may be us asking for a refund if this happens again. We should stand as one here, a community united, because this has the potential to hurt us all.
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Thank you for all of that.
 

enbeekay

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All day on this thread the same things have been repeated time and time again and not one person actually knows any facts or real details beyond other peoples opinions, fear mongering, hearsay or just general slagging off.

It's a bit ridiculous that it's got to nearly 4000 posts now with no substantial response given at any point yet people listen to each other who have no insider info or no real knowledge of any sort of situation.
Can't people wait until there's some real response from Frontier about this? Because I'm pretty sure there will be a statement coming and not just one on the 22nd. Until then people own OPINIONS can only worsen by reading and repeating the same conspiracy theories and accusations.
 

Erna Jedermann

Erna Jedermann
Pecisk said:
There are 140k backers of ED now, around 100k beta testers if I am precise. As you would figure out, almost all of them play online modes. Now, please, tell me, how many people won't buy this game only because it's not offline?

As I said, overstating your power in case of grievance to threaten game - no really way to pressure devs to rethink or give some ideas about future.
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Ok sorry than say 140 K ...but even that will not be enough for that BIG plans .... and what than ??? Do You think that lets say 200K enough ?
And what you will prever ... wait until they wrote..."sorry we didn´t sell enough....so we must cut/remove/stop develop...." .. and work until than for them as Beta Tester ?????
 

Lobstris

Lobstris
Dante80 said:
The best course of action imo.

1. Launch and work on the game as much as you can.
2. Promise a separate single player game derived from ED with an API and tools for full modding support. Lets even pay for this separately.
3. Bring back total seamlessness, the stardreamer and FE2 flight model to it. All three were after all compromised mainly due to networking/MP reasons.

I'm dreaming of course, but they can do it if they wanted to..XD
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Get Glyn Williams (Warhead, iWar, iWar2) in to do the flight and systems modelling on top of E: D's galaxy and I'd pledge a lot of money for that! :)
 

Perramas

Perramas
Adept said:
Exactly this.

As for MMO probles of bots and hacks, the Private Group and Solo mode take care of those problems _if_ they appear.

I'd like to see the autopilot bot that somebody puts together to trade or mine on itself :D
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If players actions affect the markets for all players how exactly will solo mode avoid the effects of bots, hacks and RMTers?
 

Globusdiablo

Globusdiablo
Dante80 said:
The best course of action imo.

1. Launch and work on the game as much as you can.
2. Promise a separate single player game derived from ED with an API and tools for full modding support. Lets even pay for this separately.
3. Bring back total seamlessness, the stardreamer and FE2 flight model to it. All three were after all compromised mainly due to networking/MP reasons.

I'm dreaming of course, but they can do it if they wanted to..XD
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Holy crap! How sweet that would be! Yes Dante! I'm in! :)
 

Erna Jedermann

Erna Jedermann
Perramas said:
If players actions affect the markets for all players how exactly will solo mode avoid the effects of bots, hacks and RMTers?
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In Solo you can use this BOTs much easier...because you only must fight against "Stupid" NPC ...so you can Trading during you are at work...and in Solo no other will see that you use a robot...
 
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