Update 15, the Upcoming Feature Rework and More

I used to be a supporter like you, until I took a proverbial arrow (pick one, Frontier has fired dozens) to the knee.
I don't know about that, I won't say it's been plain sailing but I think Odyssey is a great addition to the whole experience, of course I want more but I'm not jump into paradoxical loops of logic to justify how that means I should stop supporting the game so I never get to see it.

It's like Space Engineers, the liquid thing was a major immersion breaker for me that made me decide not to put more time into it, but I can still respect other people's decisions to play it and enjoy it to not actively put it down, or get into 'that game is dead to me' mode. Don't you think it's a bit much to be acting like that over a video game?
 
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Smart man. (y)

I bought Oddity, only to play it just like I do Horizons, so it was a waste of money for me.

Disclaimer: I did get up and leave my ship once or twice while at space port just to experience the novelty of walking around the station and checking things out. It was a big nothing for me. What is interesting though is that I have no problem jumping out of my chair in X4 and letting the pilot take over (as he/she is yelling at navigation...). Weird eh?

I'm looking forward to X4's new release, but I'd be very cautious about buying anything else from FD until fully researched. My tastes for a space game seem to differ significantly from those of the folks at FD.
Sorry folks, I didn't mean this thread to turn into a bitter ex rage session. Though I will say that I'm 100% unapologetic for thinking that Elite is one of the best games of all time that I've played and I'm enjoying Elite + Odyssey immensely. If that's a trigger for one to feel the compulsion to have to have to respond in a negative manner or to troll, I can't help that as it's not actually my problem, and it's not going to affect how I feel about the game either. 😘 o7

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I don't know about that, I won't say it's been plain sailing but I think Odyssey is a great addition to the whole experience, of course I want more but I'm not jump into paradoxical loops of logic to justify how that means I should stop supporting the game so I never get to see it.

It's like Space Engineers, the liquid thing was a major immersion breaker for me that made me decide not to put more time into it, but I can still respect other people's decisions to play it and enjoy it to not actively put it down, or get into 'that game is dead to me' mode. Don't you think it's a bit much to be acting like that over a video game?

The major feature rework was advertised for "Early 2023".

At the time I thought that this was pretty unambitious. I mean seriously? not a new feature even, but an upgrade to an existing one and we'd have to wait a YEAR for it to arrive no less. But I thought that should be achievable and I was glad FDEV weren't overpromising at least.

Fast forward to now and at the end of Q1 2023 (which is the last date that can be fairly called "early" 2023) and we are told that not only is the rework not coming, but they don't even know what it's going to be and we have to wait until " towards the end of this year" Or in other words the start of Q4 2023. A minimum 6 months from now to find out what this rework even is!

I'm not saying to anyone that they should stop supporting the game but rather asking the question: HOW do I support the game?

From where I'm standing there's nothing to support. Nothing has come out for Odyssey that is of significant substance in the 2 years since release.
 
Fast forward to now and at the end of Q1 2023 (which is the last date that can be fairly called "early" 2023) and we are told that not only is the rework not coming, but they don't even know what it's going to be and we have to wait until " towards the end of this year" Or in other words the start of Q4 2023. A minimum 6 months from now to find out what this rework even is!
Be glad they threw the consoles out the window lest you'd probaly have to wait even longer.
 
Be glad they threw the consoles out the window lest you'd probaly have to wait even longer.
I'm glad, because some consolers switched to pc, so at least I can play with them :D
Maybe it isnt speed of adding new content (good, that I'm not addicted to new content in games), but it is something good :D
 
The major feature rework was advertised for "Early 2023".

At the time I thought that this was pretty unambitious. I mean seriously? not a new feature even, but an upgrade to an existing one and we'd have to wait a YEAR for it to arrive no less. But I thought that should be achievable and I was glad FDEV weren't overpromising at least.

Fast forward to now and at the end of Q1 2023 (which is the last date that can be fairly called "early" 2023) and we are told that not only is the rework not coming, but they don't even know what it's going to be and we have to wait until " towards the end of this year" Or in other words the start of Q4 2023. A minimum 6 months from now to find out what this rework even is!
Again, Odyssey being rushed was bad, Frontier delaying it would have been good. Frontier announce that the Rework update is being pushed back, so now all the talk about how 'Frontier should only release things when ready' goes out of the window.

I don't know what it's called, even if it has a name, but I'm aware of a military technique on how to give someone a constant hard time; you give them two things to do and always the choice they make is the wrong one and therefore provides the opportunity to tell them how worthless they are etc... Makes me wonder that if Frontier hadn't done space-legs and did atmospheric worlds/gas giants etc.. then they would have just gotten the same treatment but no them doing y was bad and they should have done space-legs instead...

I'm not saying to anyone that they should stop supporting the game but rather asking the question: HOW do I support the game?
You play it if you enjoy it, if you want to buy some cosmetics do so, no-one's forcing you either way.

The other thing to do is let Frontier get on with developing the game as they see fit and support the overall development buy purchasing the DLCs that keep development ongoing. Or you could ask Frontier to sell ship jpgs for thousands of dollars. I'm not sure why anyone would feel that's preferable but that's just me.

From where I'm standing there's nothing to support. Nothing has come out for Odyssey that is of significant substance in the 2 years since release.
In your opinion, and yet apparently Update 15 is missing yet again from the discussion...
 
I do remember a few people celebrating the end of console support because they were sure that consoles were the sole reason Elite on PC was behind schedule.

So much for that theory, LOL.
I wasn't one who celebrated that but I think it's also fair to say, without suggesting that console support was wrong, that it had to have delayed the development of the main game. I can't see how it would not. However, that situation and the situation of post-Odyssey launch are separate enough to invalidate your 'observation'.
 
I wasn't one who celebrated that but I think it's also fair to say, without suggesting that console support was wrong, that it had to have delayed the development of the main game. I can't see how it would not. However, that situation and the situation of post-Odyssey launch are separate enough to invalidate your 'observation'.
I would have thought that the logical conclusion would be that those with expertise in console development would be re-allocated to other titles (with console versions).

Frontier had suspended work on the console version long before Odyssey was released, so considering the shocking state of the Windows version at launch, it would seem that is the version that Frontier finds difficult to progress. There is no macOS, Xbox, Playstation or VR development to blame any more.
 
Again, Odyssey being rushed was bad, Frontier delaying it would have been good. Frontier announce that the Rework update is being pushed back, so now all the talk about how 'Frontier should only release things when ready' goes out of the window.
From Frontier's point of view both are a problem, though. If things are bad on release no-one will pay for them. If things take too long to be good enough to release, they won't generate enough income to cover the development costs. Odyssey probably didn't have any good options having been delayed to May 2021 already and releasing it then was probably better than another year's delay.

That said, I think the main problem with Odyssey is that it just doesn't have the broad appeal of Horizons - concept rather than design or implementation - so fixing the issues while necessary probably won't have helped sales much: the people enthusiastic about space legs will mostly have pre-ordered it; the people who aren't still don't have any reason to buy it.

apparently Update 15 is missing yet again from the discussion
While I'm in agreement with Frontier not saying what's in patches too far in advance, and also not giving away plot points in advance at all, it does mean that a plot-focused update is going to be "we'll see when we get there". There's nothing to discuss right now. Once it's released, assuming it's at least similar to U14 in quality and scope, there'll probably be plenty of (positive) discussion.
 
Again, Odyssey being rushed was bad, Frontier delaying it would have been good. Frontier announce that the Rework update is being pushed back, so now all the talk about how 'Frontier should only release things when ready' goes out of the window.

The point I was trying to make here was that telling us that development on the feature update hasn't even begun, at the end of the advertised release window is ridiculous.
They should have told us this info earlier, early January at the latest. I'm fine with delays if we are warned about them in good time. I honestly don't want to see updates that aren't ready for release. Ever.

You play it if you enjoy it, if you want to buy some cosmetics do so, no-one's forcing you either way.

The other thing to do is let Frontier get on with developing the game as they see fit and support the overall development buy purchasing the DLCs that keep development ongoing. Or you could ask Frontier to sell ship jpgs for thousands of dollars. I'm not sure why anyone would feel that's preferable but that's just me.

I meant this rhetorically really, I know I can support Fdev by buying Arx packs and such but they need to pick a direction to take Odyssey and stick to it. Because at the moment Elite has some worrying similarities with other live service games that have gone down the tubes and I'm not buying cosmetics or grinding out materials for a game that is at high risk of losing all developer support at any moment.

And yeah that's just like my opinion, man.
 
While I'm in agreement with Frontier not saying what's in patches too far in advance, and also not giving away plot points in advance at all, it does mean that a plot-focused update is going to be "we'll see when we get there". There's nothing to discuss right now. Once it's released, assuming it's at least similar to U14 in quality and scope, there'll probably be plenty of (positive) discussion.

Agreed, and point taken, though it still is interesting that there's little discussion about what Update 15 could contain vs griping about the rework update, which was the main aspect of my point.
 
The point I was trying to make here was that telling us that development on the feature update hasn't even begun, at the end of the advertised release window is ridiculous.
They should have told us this info earlier, early January at the latest. I'm fine with delays if we are warned about them in good time. I honestly don't want to see updates that aren't ready for release. Ever.
Fair enough, but one should consider that the planning stage is still work and can incur development time and resources. I don't know for sure of course, which leaves open the interpretation that it's just a sticky the side of someone's monitor saying "to do: rework update", but I think that's highly unlikely, don't you?


I meant this rhetorically really, I know I can support Fdev by buying Arx packs and such but they need to pick a direction to take Odyssey and stick to it.
I'm not sure what that effectively means, I think Frontier have chosen a direction but whether the user base goes with what Frontier is saying vs youtubers click bait videos on what Frontier should be doing is what is up for debate - and I know it's not exactly a binary choice. I think it's a clear case that Frontier should be the main influence on where the franchise goes, it's not like the other features that were spoken of in the Kickstarter can't come at a later point or that Frontier suggested that they were never coming either.

Again, when it comes to ship interiors, Frontier haven't officially said no, and in fact said yes way back in the kickstarter, but yet somehow certain youtubers take Arf's comments about what needs to come with ship interiors before Frontier will develop it as a definitive no, overriding David Braben's own words.

It's not hard to wonder why they would do that of course, views means ad revenue, and while there's nothing inherently wrong with trying to monetize one's youtube/twitch channel, some are trying to pivot their 'community' over to another game so they can keep getting that ad revenue when they see the greater potential for covering another game, or that the grass is greener. To illustrate, I've watched Ninja live talk about how he could take his audience with him from Fortnite to another game if he got bored of it, though that was before he went with the Microsoft streaming platform and reality bit him, and that was not even switching to a different game. So overall it's a bit of a delusion in some youtubers minds that the people who are watching them are doing soley for them, not that their audience are chosing them because they like their coverage of the game they want to hear about. Sure, there's some who are going to be fans of Ninja and follow whatever he does, but I'd suggest that's a tiny minority, though for someone of his level, that's still quite a chunk, but again no guarantee that it will work out. However, that's not always the youtuber's fault, the potential is there for them to be manipulated themselves by certain sections of their audience... Another non-Elite example is Phonecats; who I watched when I played Clash Royale quite regularly, a good streamer who actually wasn't that bad streaming Fortnite either actually, but anyway, when he was playing Clash Royale there were always a section who were just always commenting on how Clash Royale was dead and no-one played it anymore (same stuff I often read here in fact), mind you this was around 2017 and it was making $545m in revenue, though had dipped from 2015 when it made $1.3bn, but it was brand new and of course that level wasn't sustainable, but in 2022 Clash Royale made just under $500m, so it's holding steady - far from dead, but yet people in the chat then were like "this game's dead" etc.. etc.., which eventually led Phonecats to try other games which didn't work out for him, he's back to Clash Royale and seems to be doing great.*

A bit of a tangent but quite important context I think, for those who it might help.

Because at the moment Elite has some worrying similarities with other live service games that have gone down the tubes and I'm not buying cosmetics or grinding out materials for a game that is at high risk of losing all developer support at any moment.
High risk, who's saying that? If Frontier are looking to stop supporting Elite, why are they opening the console transfer portal again? Or why did they undertake the work to make it happen in the first place? Or David Braben's statements, etc. etc.. It's obviously up to you upon whom you choose to place the weight of your trust on influencing your view on what's going on. But I guess the rework update being delayed is the doom signal, not like the previous doom signal, and the one before that, and...

And yeah that's just like my opinion, man.
Fair enough, but be mindful that it isn't just influenced by some youtuber's take on things.. either directly or indirectly..

*In case you're wondering, my son was a middle-schooler at the time and was into Fortnite and Clash Royale, so we would watch them together.
 
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Update 15, the Upcoming Feature Rework and More
Greetings Commanders,

We trust that you have been enjoying Update 14 and all the action the Thargoid War is bringing to the bubble. Amidst everything going on, we are taking a moment to update you on our upcoming plans.

Update 15
Update 15 is set to build upon the narrative and unlock the next major stage of the Thargoid War. This will be among the biggest moments in the game to date and we’re excited to see how you react. To allow the necessary time for development and ensure the update meets expectations, Update 15 will release in May. An exact date will be confirmed closer to the time.

Major Feature Rework
Last year we announced a major update that would rework a long standing feature. This is still being investigated, however a number of changes (not least the Thargoid War itself) have required our attention as a priority. We will share details of this investigation and our plans towards the end of this year.

Player Made Factions: Applications Closing
Player Made Factions have played a key role in expressing your will over the shape of the bubble. This goal is at the heart of our plans for Elite and reflected in the Thargoid War. Our focus is now turning to investigate how upcoming systems will allow every player and player group to have a meaningful impact on the galaxy’s landscape. This means we will be closing applications for PMFs, however we will process any remaining applications.

Console Profile Transfer Portal: Returning Next Month
The introduction of Live and Legacy modes required us to pause the Console Profile Transfer Portal in November last year. However, we’re now ready to begin processing further requests and will re-open the portal in April. We are pleased to announce that this is a far more complete process than we anticipated. We look forward to more console Commanders joining us on PC, especially to enjoy the features offered by Odyssey. To see which elements of your console profile will be transferred, see our forum post.

Live Mode as the Default Download
In addition to the above, we will be making the Live version of Elite the default download. This will encourage new players to try the main version of Elite with access to future updates while keeping Legacy as an optional alternative. Implementing this change will cause an update to appear for all Steam users, and Legacy players will need to re-download that version to continue playing, existing Live players will not require an update. This will have no effect on your save files, so if Legacy is your preferred mode, you can continue playing normally once it is re-downloaded.

While the above announcements outline several major plans for the upcoming year, further announcements will be made in the upcoming weeks and months. As always, if you have any questions or comments, please leave them below!

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Is there a specific date when the PMF application process will be closed? There are a few Legacy Groups I know looking to apply
 
Is there a specific date when the PMF application process will be closed? There are a few Legacy Groups I know looking to apply
Actually I have one but its only 3 people w/out a home system.. I hope you find what you want. My ps4 squadron is is 'ps4e'. On pc I'm in a other squadron which ill add I'm more serious about. H.G knows. 😉
 
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