Well after 30+ pages any thread is bound to drift off topic and to be fair Fdev really didn't give us much to discuss anyway.No, but this is the Update 15 thread, not the NMS thread...
Hyping over U15 should be discussed here, not NMS
Not easy to get hyped when we don't know what we should get hyped about.
Pretty much all we know is that U15 is most likely about the next "stage" of maelstrom and that it got delayed.
I see what you did there! I never imagined you'd become one of my favorite posters on this forum. Welcome to the dark side!
On the topic of Borons, I've been amazed at how quickly Egosoft has been pumping out some pretty major bug fixes to the X4 Beta I'm currently participating in. Every week they release a change log that's more impressive than one of Frontier's quarterly updates to Elite. All these "software is hard" arguments in defense of Elite's glacial pace of development just melt away when you look at what the competition is doing. Granted, writing good software IS hard, but I feel Frontier's problems are much deeper than that.
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You mean the other planetary game, right? Or should i call it the running game?
It's more the difference in attitudes between the developers being discussed than NMS itself.
Honestly, you can't tell that what people are doing is highlighting the difference in "engagement and performance" between the comparatively small Hello Games team and the supposedly large Elite Dangerous cohort in FDEV?
P.S. I'd love to talk about U15 but I have no idea what it is about!
Let's add Keen and Egosoft to that list, as they too are releasing huge updates to their space games this month as well. These updates have been highly promoted for some time now, rather than veiled in secrecy like Frontier (and only Frontier) does with Elite. I started replaying X4, which I was taking a break from, based on the hype of this new update alone, so the idea that secrecy is good for a game is just rubbish.
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The problem is that if a dev is confident about the update(s) surely you'd talk about them? All the other games I've played this is the case.
By not talking about U16 its non noncommittally holding that slot for any upcoming crisis / hotdesking devs rather than going ITS XYZ GET HYPED!
By not talking about U16 its non noncommittally holding that slot for any upcoming crisis / hotdesking devs rather than going ITS XYZ GET HYPED!
Okay, let's talk about U15 ..........
it's between U14 and U16 (probably)
it's more of the same, probably allowing progress to be made against the Thargoids in some manner
it's coming in May (possibly)
Yay
it's between U14 and U16 (probably)
it's more of the same, probably allowing progress to be made against the Thargoids in some manner
it's coming in May (possibly)
Yay
I don't think anyone's been claiming that secrecy over future updates is good for Elite Dangerous.
...just that it's better than the other choice, which is saying a bunch of stuff which then has to be amended or walked back repeatedly over the following months, piling up threads like this each time.
Great: announce stuff in advance, release it on the advertised schedule with the advertised features
Middling: announce stuff the day before release
Terrible: announce stuff in advance, then announce that it will be delayed, then announce that you're going to do something different, then announce that that will also be delayed, then finally release something different again
The top one isn't an option for Elite Dangerous, so...
What's the expression? You reap what you sow?
I can't really see why not.
No, I'm not familiar with the internal details of Frontier or Elite Dangerous to know why their difficulty estimates for developments continue to be far too optimistic, either.
But observationally it remains true that I don't think Frontier have ever released a public schedule more than 6 months ahead that was fully met on both time and features, no matter how vague it's been in the first place.
And presumably they'd have already fixed that issue if they could, so anything that depends on it being fixed isn't really an option no matter how good it might be.
I have suggested in the past Frontier should use their normal methods and then add on a flat rate of 6 months, but I think it was derided as far too simplistic
Would still have missed on Fleet Carriers, Odyssey Console Release, and this thread's Key Feature Overhaul.I have suggested in the past Frontier should use their normal methods and then add on a flat rate of 6 months, but I think it was derided as far too simplistic
(and been too pessimistic on some other stuff, but that's fine, "good news, we're releasing the mining revamp six months early" wouldn't have been a problem)
I think for many its that lack of confidence on anything. While its not 2018 levels at the same time its 'where now?'. Most games I play have a close in update and further out have a theme or aim to act as a waypoint. If FD had said "its Powerplay" thats enough for something so far out but it gives a waypoint to group around. By saying "we are looking at something" is just empty rhetoric since we know they'd do that anyway.
Still, we had a 2 years narrative that ended last autumn. Which was interesting to say at least
Then we had the U14 with i regard as an update since it added a rather new dimension to the narrative and the war against thargs
And we have U15, albeit with a month delay that is promising further developments to the narrative and among the biggest moments
So i count this as 2 updates in 7 months - which is not bad enough.
Sure there is the feeling of disappointment regarding the fabled major feature revamp, but as i said - until i know exactly what's to be revamped, i cant say that i'm disappointed or glad that it has been postponed.
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Anyway, One month till update 15...
So In the meantime, i'm restarting the settlement missions...
To be specifically, i'm after Ax Combat Logs and Xeno-Defense Protocols
Biological Weapon Data and Chemical Weapon Data too, maybe Virology Data?
Anyone selling?
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