Let's make a choice,wish list about deer.

YesIndeed

YesIndeed
NachoB said:
I don't see how 4 species of deer is considered not enough specially when we have just 2 bovids, 2 caprines, 2 camelids, 3 pigs (and no peccary), 2 tapirs, 2 giraffoids, 2 equines, 2 rhinos... like there are other ungulate groups with a bigger need of rep.

That said there are still a completar of deer i would like to get:

1. Chital deer
2 Southern pudu
3. NA elk
4. Marsh deer
5. Any muntjac
6. Pampas deer
7. Sika deer
8. Pere david deer
9. Visayan spotted deer

(And a remake of the caribou)
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Don't bring girrafoids into this. We're fine with the amount we have in that category.
 

NachoB

NachoB
YesIndeed said:
Don't bring girrafoids into this. We're fine with the amount we have in that category.
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We are lol Maybe a massai giraffe would be cool, but i'm good with what we have.

I'm just saying that deer are not exactly the ungulate group with the least rep. Actually they come second after antelopes.
 

DarthQuell

DarthQuell
DragonNTiger said:
I'd argue tapirs and rhinos and camels are pretty well covered as well...
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I'd say the only one that's important at this point is the dromedary, mostly due to the large amount of scenery we have revolved around it. Black rhino is also one of those animals that would be nice to have
NachoB said:
We are lol Maybe a massai giraffe would be cool, but i'm good with what we have.

I'm just saying that deer are not exactly the ungulate group with the least rep. Actually they come second after antelopes.
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Yes and no. With amount, yeah, they have the 2nd most, but relatively, they are kinda weak. We have 2/5 rhinos, 1/2 tapirs, and 3/5 camelids.
For deer, we have 4/43, with many well known species and species seen in zoos/captivity missing, like the Père David's, whitetail, muntjac, etc.
 

Cooper_yang

Cooper_yang
NachoB said:
Yeah i get it but i think some individual ungulates are more important to get before another deer (IMO):
1. PECCARY being the main one
2. Takin: unique looking caprine. Also common in captivity.
3. Markhor
4. Blackbuck: we have no asian antelope
5. Dik dik /Duikers: we need small ungulates (small deer are also fit for this cathegory, but duikers are fairly common in captivity and mixed exhibits)
6. Somali wild donkey: out of the equines we could get to flesh out more this group maybe this is the one i'll be kind of ok with lol not much into donkeys though.
7. Musk ox: trully one of the few animals left to give full rep to the arctic regions.
8. Black rhino: really, how come we don't have both african rhinos yet?

I would love more unique choices like the gerenuk and mouse deer.

That said i'm not opposed to more deer specially small ones like pudu and munjaks.
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To be honest,my bro, in fact, most of our views are consistent. As an ungulate collector I am, and the animals you listed, I am as eager as you are to get them, like black rhino, musk ox, takin, blackbuck, markhorn, Somali wild donkey, etc. , I like them very much, even I want more, such as a kiang, a Javan/Sumatran rhino, and addax, etc. Many of them are key species in my exhibition area planning, but this does not It doesn't matter that I still want some deer, I just think we have less deer compared to 10 species of antelope. And in many zoos with hotter climates, moose and reindeer are less common.
 

Cooper_yang

Cooper_yang
DarthQuell said:
I'd say the only one that's important at this point is the dromedary, mostly due to the large amount of scenery we have revolved around it. Black rhino is also one of those animals that would be nice to have

Yes and no. With amount, yeah, they have the 2nd most, but relatively, they are kinda weak. We have 2/5 rhinos, 1/2 tapirs, and 3/5 camelids.
For deer, we have 4/43, with many well known species and species seen in zoos/captivity missing, like the Père David's, whitetail, muntjac, etc.
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This is exactly what I want to say, not that there are few types of deer, but that there are fewer species than other ungulates, and they lack representative species in some ecological regions.
 

Cooper_yang

Cooper_yang
YesIndeed said:
Just saying you said we have an abundance of hogs though the forums are very vocal on how we need peccary and wild boar. There's 3 hogs compared to the 4 deer you mentioned so I don't get where your coming from.

Anyway I'd want a pudu or muntjac. Small deer hang forever. Himalayan musk deer would also be cool though.
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If what we're currently getting is Eurasian wild boar and Red River hog, then I have no problem with that. As I have always said, we currently have relatively few deer compared to other ungulates. Especially when we have such a niche "pig" as the Babirusa. On the other hand, the species we currently have are underrepresented in some of the areas where they are widespread. Like I said before, if we only had the Eurasian wild boar and the red river hog, then I think it is very reasonable, but the three pigs we have now are all from the tropics and subtropics, and zero in relatively cold regions, which is obviously not too reasonable.I just feel that deer are a little less compared to other ungulates.
 

YesIndeed

YesIndeed
DarthQuell said:
I'd say the only one that's important at this point is the dromedary, mostly due to the large amount of scenery we have revolved around it. Black rhino is also one of those animals that would be nice to have

Yes and no. With amount, yeah, they have the 2nd most, but relatively, they are kinda weak. We have 2/5 rhinos, 1/2 tapirs, and 3/5 camelids.
For deer, we have 4/43, with many well known species and species seen in zoos/captivity missing, like the Père David's, whitetail, muntjac, etc.
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You mean 2/4 tapirs right?
 

YesIndeed

YesIndeed
I got an idea to see how important people actually think more deer is. By ranking the ungulate groups that aren't practically complete already (e.g. no more hippos) or have barely any reps. Here's the groups:

Antelopes
Caprines
Bovines
Swine
Deer and relations
Camelids
Tapirs
Rhinos
Equines

I'll start:
1. Caprines
2. Swine
3. Deer
4. Equines
5. Bovines
6. Camelids
7. Tapirs
8. Rhinos
 

Fossa

F
1: Caprines, Markhor, Takin, Musk Ox, Aoudad, Mountain Goat, Chamois and Moufflon

2: Antelopes, Saiga, Gerenuk, Blackbuck, Kudu, Dik-Dik, Eland, Topi, Addax

2.5: Deer, Musk Deer, Muntjac, Swamp deer with stupid name Pere or something)

3: Bovine, Gaur, Wild Yak

4: Swine, Wild Boar, Peccary

5: Equines, Onager

6: Camelids/Llama, Dromedary, Alpaca

7: Rhino, Black Rhino

Other groups are well presented for me
 

Loganispokey

L
1. Reeve's Muntjac
2. Pere David's Deer
3. Tufted Deer
4. Chinese Water Deer
5. Roosevelt Elk
6. Southern Pudu
7. White-Tailed Deer
8. Siberian Musk Deer
9. Sambar Deer
 

synthetase

synthetase
1. Greater Malayan Mouse Deer
2. Pere David's Deer
3. Muntjac
4. Roe Deer
5. White-tailed Deer
6. Brocket Deer
7. Sika Deer
8. Wapiti
9. Southern Pudu

Man, this was hard. I'm definitely ok with a lot more deer!

Also to answer the question of broad hooved animal groups in general:
1. Caprines Most essential: Takin also Bighorn sheep, Japanese Serow, Mouflon, Chamois
2. Bovines (sorry not sorry) Most essential: Yak also eland, kudu, bushbuck, gaur
3. Deer and Relations see above with most essential imo probably Muntjac
4. Equines most essential: Asian Wild Donkey
5. Antelopes most essential: anythings welcome
6. Swine wild boar
7. Camelids Dromeday
8. Rhino Sumatran
9. Tapirs completely done
 

Cooper_yang

Cooper_yang
synthetase said:
1. Greater Malayan Mouse Deer
2. Pere David's Deer
3. Muntjac
4. Roe Deer
5. White-tailed Deer
6. Brocket Deer
7. Sika Deer
8. Wapiti
9. Southern Pudu

Man, this was hard. I'm definitely ok with a lot more deer!

Also to answer the question of broad hooved animal groups in general:
1. Caprines Most essential: Takin also Bighorn sheep, Japanese Serow, Mouflon, Chamois
2. Bovines (sorry not sorry) Most essential: Yak also eland, kudu, bushbuck, gaur
3. Deer and Relations see above with most essential imo probably Muntjac
4. Equines most essential: Asian Wild Donkey
5. Antelopes most essential: anythings welcome
6. Swine wild boar
7. Camelids Dromeday
8. Rhino Sumatran
9. Tapirs completely done
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The first mouse deer appeared.
 

nutrit

nutrit
1. Pere David's Deer - the only one that I really really need because of 1 000 000 different very important reasons.
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2. Reeve's Muntjac - small tropical deer would fill the niche nicely and would allow to mix it with many different species, especially red panda.
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premierfong

premierfong
Fossa said:
1: Caprines, Markhor, Takin, Musk Ox, Aoudad, Mountain Goat, Chamois and Moufflon

2: Antelopes, Saiga, Gerenuk, Blackbuck, Kudu, Dik-Dik, Eland, Topi, Addax

2.5: Deer, Musk Deer, Muntjac, Swamp deer with stupid name Pere or something)

3: Bovine, Gaur, Wild Yak

4: Swine, Wild Boar, Peccary

5: Equines, Onager

6: Camelids/Llama, Dromedary, Alpaca

7: Rhino, Black Rhino

Other groups are well presented for me
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I think this is pretty conclusive of all the animals we still need.
 
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