No Single Player offline Mode then?

[LoSt]

Aye come the zombie invasion we are all in the doo, doo. However how far in the future things go none of us know, panicking about something that hasn't happened yet seems a tad strange.

Very true. I'm just stating facts as I see them. I'm on neither side of the debate per se.

On one hand, OMG EVE ONLINE and WOW won't die longevity.
On the other, Auto Assault that failed inside of a year. This was one of my favorites back in that day. I still have the CD somewhere

Call me a pessimistic optimist.

 

[ecgallagher]

The points made on both sides of this debate have been made over and over so many times that it's become absurd. No new point has been made since page four. And yet people still push on, repeating themselves and others, and it looks like there's no end to it.

The arguments in favor of an always-offline single player mode are numerous and shouldn't have to be defended or repeated like this. And yet here we are.

The only thing I want to know is why the apologists are so bent out of shape about the people who are bent out of shape over FD's announcement. On one hand they say it shouldn't matter, it's only a game, grow up, grow up, grow up, ad nauseam. Well what about these apologists, then, getting so upset over some backlash on a forum? It shouldn't matter, it's only a forum, grow up.

The bottom line is this: there's a fight to be had and some of these people just can't stop themselves from getting involved. These apologists---they have no stake in the matter whatsoever. They love multiplayer. They think it's grand. So they should go be happy with it and leave the people who are upset to their misery. These people (whose mantra, once again, always seems to be "grow up") have involved themselves in this thread for the express purpose of debating for the sake of debating. Ironic.

My little post won't change anything, of course, but I simply had to express this overpowering disgust for the people who have turned this thread---a thread which should've been a proper and unified backlash against a company which has screwed many of its backers---into a cheap debate where one holier-than-thou group has the audacity to try and tell another group how they should or shouldn't feel about something.

As for the relative importance of the matter at hand (and real money exchanging hands notwithstanding) it may only be a game, yes, but it's going to suck up hours and hours of our lives in the coming years. I'd say that makes it important by anyone's standard. Therefore, once again, if people are angry about a decision from the designers then they should be able to vent their frustrations without a bunch of argumentative griefers giving them grief.

Because it is one thing to make your viewpoint known, and vent.
It is another to make DDOS threats, spread misinformation, threaten people, etc.
Most are reacting to these type of posts.

 

[Dexadrinne]

I'm a little late to the party. And TBH i'm not going to read through 300 pages lol. But i MUST admit that I'm shocked. Not only is this Offline part only JUST revealed like 1 month prior to Official release, But i think it was a saving grace for me an others in Australia and other parts NOT closer to the EU/US.
I have flown pretty much all of my time in Offline during the whole Beta process due to the HORRIBLE outcomes that seem to be connected to going online. For example, Had a Type 9 fully loaded approaching Dahan, Docked and lost connection. Only to relog find me and my ship inside the Stations superstructure and died. On no less of 7 occasions this has happened to me and my friend. So we resumed Offline with no issues at all.

So for me now i fell pretty much flat about the game. I will try Online. But i fear that the same experiences that plagued me in beta might very much return on release. All about ping isn't it Having a ping of 300-350 isn't ideal for flight simming.
If there was a server here in this area of the Pacific then thing would be different. But us Aussies and others around here have seen what happens with most games that start MMO servers. There good for about a year maybe 2 then they pull the plug because its not profitable.

Regards

 

[synchromesh]

I do have one query ...

The installation of the ED launcher only appears to be 14meg....
So those that ordered the boxed version.....Is that all that's going to be on the dvd ?

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

I'm a little late to the party. And TBH i'm not going to read through 300 pages lol. But i MUST admit that I'm shocked. Not only is this Offline part only JUST revealed like 1 month prior to Official release, But i think it was a saving grace for me an others in Australia and other parts NOT closer to the EU/US.
I have flown pretty much all of my time in Offline during the whole Beta process due to the HORRIBLE outcomes that seem to be connected to going online. For example, Had a Type 9 fully loaded approaching Dahan, Docked and lost connection. Only to relog find me and my ship inside the Stations superstructure and died. On no less of 7 occasions this has happened to me and my friend. So we resumed Offline with no issues at all.

So for me now i fell pretty much flat about the game. I will try Online. But i fear that the same experiences that plagued me in beta might very much return on release. All about ping isn't it Having a ping of 300-350 isn't ideal for flight simming.

Regards

Dexadrinne, you flew SOLO ONLINE, not OFFLINE. SOLO ONLINE is still a go, so nothing changes for you!

 

[Milky82]

I'm a little late to the party. And TBH i'm not going to read through 300 pages lol. But i MUST admit that I'm shocked. Not only is this Offline part only JUST revealed like 1 month prior to Official release, But i think it was a saving grace for me an others in Australia and other parts NOT closer to the EU/US.
I have flown pretty much all of my time in Offline during the whole Beta process due to the HORRIBLE outcomes that seem to be connected to going online. For example, Had a Type 9 fully loaded approaching Dahan, Docked and lost connection. Only to relog find me and my ship inside the Stations superstructure and died. On no less of 7 occasions this has happened to me and
my friend. So we resumed Offline with no issues at all.

So for me now i fell pretty much flat about the game. I will try Online. But i fear that the same experiences that plagued me in beta might very much return on release. All about ping isn't it Having a ping of 300-350 isn't ideal for flight simming.

Regards

Don't panic it's not solo that's been axed it's offline only, solo is online but no other pc's are part of your game.

 

[Dexadrinne]

Dexadrinne, you flew SOLO ONLINE, not OFFLINE. SOLO ONLINE is still a go, so nothing changes for you!

Truely? LOL well then i shall throw an extra log on the fire and dance a jig Thxs for the heads up mate

 

[LoSt]

I'm a little late to the party. And TBH i'm not going to read through 300 pages lol. But i MUST admit that I'm shocked. Not only is this Offline part only JUST revealed like 1 month prior to Official release, But i think it was a saving grace for me an others in Australia and other parts NOT closer to the EU/US.
I have flown pretty much all of my time in Offline during the whole Beta process due to the HORRIBLE outcomes that seem to be connected to going online. For example, Had a Type 9 fully loaded approaching Dahan, Docked and lost connection. Only to relog find me and my ship inside the Stations superstructure and died. On no less of 7 occasions this has happened to me and my friend. So we resumed Offline with no issues at all.

So for me now i fell pretty much flat about the game. I will try Online. But i fear that the same experiences that plagued me in beta might very much return on release. All about ping isn't it Having a ping of 300-350 isn't ideal for flight simming.

Regards

Dex,

Not to drag this EPIC FRACKAS off-topic too far but...

If you find yourself disco'd and floating in station after reconnection, immediately save and exit to main menu. Next time you load, you'll be placed outside the station at a reasonable distance at next login.

I had this happen to me when I'd try to undock and just sit there, I'd have to save and exit since no menus worked. What I did was re-login to find myself bouncing around the station innards, immediately save and exit. Then login would put me at a safe distance outside the station. YMMV.

And now back to your regularly scheduled ONLINE/OFFLINE debate.

 

[Dave Leestir]

Oh dear!!! I been on the fence with this for a long time, knowing how things pan out this day and age.

What FD do not understand is offline is Elite to us old timers who like a personal experience, not some gank fest or coin mine. Just chill out and goto space for a few hours.

Also can I just point to a few online only games that worked a treat day one!

Silenthunter 5
Simcity
Diablo 3

All DRM based and to say otherwise is bull.

So MR B its time to done them 1984 slippers and get coding an offline galaxy for us to
play in, enough with the PR get coding and pull it off.

Not being funny you not looking to save bits anymore just your reputation as a developer.

You must release an offline galaxy, even if its a few months after release no problem. Just dont kill it with online only rubbish.

+1, FD consider your reputation, as well as the backers.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Truely? LOL well then i shall throw an extra log on the fire and dance a jig Thxs for the heads up mate

No problem, enjoy your time in space!

 

[humbleton]

Can someone clarify for me ... is it Online or Offline that's been cancelled. I know I've turned up to this thread late. But I want to know if I should be just simply angry or super angry. Any help with getting me wound up either way is gratefully received. God I love that surge of indignation when things don't go my way. It's almost like my interfacing with Mrs. Humbleton. But she doesn't let me shout at her. Well not till afterwards.

So any help commanders.

 

[LoSt]

Can someone clarify for me ... is it Online or Offline that's been cancelled. I know I've turned up to this thread late. But I want to know if I should be just simply angry or super angry. Any help with getting me wound up either way is gratefully received. God I love that surge of indignation when things don't go my way. It's almost like my interfacing with Mrs. Humbleton. But she doesn't let me shout at her. Well not till afterwards.

So any help commanders.

My understanding is this.

Solo OFFLINE (no internet needed) is done for. Kaput.
Solo ONLINE, meaning your solo universe will still be affected by the multiplayer one without other players (market, updates, etc), is still in the cards.

 

[theleast]

Registered to express my disappointment in this decision. I specifically backed ED because it was going to have offline solo play.

 

[humbleton]

My understanding is this.

Solo OFFLINE (no internet needed) is done for. Kaput.
Solo ONLINE, meaning your solo universe will still be affected by the multiplayer one without other players (market etc), is still in the cards.

God, the fact that that's hardly clear makes me even more angry. I like my emotions to be black and white. So you can still get offline but WITH online.

I think they should cancel them both and be done with it! At least I'd know what I'm angry at. Simple ... both things.

 

[Tim Wheatley]

Here are my thoughts on the cancellation of a fully offline mode in Elite Dangerous. Apologies for any background noise, um-ing and er-ing. This was completely free-spoken. Skip to 6mins in if you were already aware of the cancellation and just want to hear my reasons for being upset about it, skip to 9mins for the MAIN reasons. At 13mins I start to talk about my SUPPORT of the decision, explaining that I just don't have to be happy about it.

I also didn't realize I move my hands so much until I uploaded this... Wow...

[video=youtube_share;LA-ZvZJ9fvw]http://youtu.be/LA-ZvZJ9fvw[/video]

 

[ThatFuzzyTiger]

Can someone clarify for me ... is it Online or Offline that's been cancelled. I know I've turned up to this thread late. But I want to know if I should be just simply angry or super angry. Any help with getting me wound up either way is gratefully received. God I love that surge of indignation when things don't go my way. It's almost like my interfacing with Mrs. Humbleton. But she doesn't let me shout at her. Well not till afterwards.

So any help commanders.

Offline mode has been axed. Online solo is still present, however be warned that online solo isn't as solo as you might think, because the nature of the dynamic galaxy and the fact it will be affected by everyone's actions (regardless of if THEY are playing solo or multiplayer), it will have a deleterious effect on celestial exploration (i.e. only the most hardcore explorers will be able to make a reliable income from it) and traders, regardless of the mode YOU play will have an effect on the economy, so if someone decides to depress the market by making multiple trade runs, it will have an effect on your game and you won't have the first idea why.

Finally, Frontier made clear one of the rewards was a DRM free copy of the game. DRM free would mean that the game would be able to run on a local system free of any form of tethering or authentication. By forcibly tethering everyone to the galaxy servers and ensuring that every transaction is validated by Frontier's galaxy servers (and yes, they've confirmed this), they've slipped DRM in via the back door, which invalidates their legally binding promise on Kickstarter at the £60 reward tier, as well as opens them up potentially to countries where consumer protection laws cover things like products being "Materially different" from their advertised claims.

Does this help?

 

[Jenner]

Can someone clarify for me ... is it Online or Offline that's been cancelled. I know I've turned up to this thread late. But I want to know if I should be just simply angry or super angry. Any help with getting me wound up either way is gratefully received. God I love that surge of indignation when things don't go my way. It's almost like my interfacing with Mrs. Humbleton. But she doesn't let me shout at her. Well not till afterwards.

So any help commanders.

Full offline is out. You can still do Solo online, as you can now. You need to be connected to the servers to facilitate several aspects of client/server communication (ie-market purchases, etc.) though.

 

[katheb]

My thoughts: And before I start I am here to state that I did not intend to play offline, As I thought the game was purely online anyway. [Easy on the flame reply keep reading.]

A feature was promised, it was deemed negative to game-play therefore it was removed. Understandable, However from the point of view of the people who intended to mainly use said feature [offline mode] they are clearly angry and unhappy, also understandable.

FD knew this would cause anger, and tried to think of the best way to break the news, many [including I] think they chose poorly.

They posted it in a newsletter, in a way that was quite subtle. Trying to keep the focus away from it and on other things like [30 ships total! 25% off insurance woo!] instead of showing it clearly and giving a full explanation and possibly apologizing up front.

While personally I have no problem with having no offline mode [specifically in this game, Simcity is a black mark on my books!!!] I do have a problem with removing promised features at the last second.

They are offering refunds if you feel this is completely unacceptable, While I agree I won't condemn them for one mistake as they have created a wonderful game and I cannot wait till it is fully released. I just hope that they do clearly see that the community is not blind, please don't insult our intelligence by trying to distract us with "shiny things" in the future.

Regards,
Commander Katheb

 

[ThatFuzzyTiger]

They are offering refunds if you feel this is completely unacceptable, While I agree I won't condemn them for one mistake as they have created a wonderful game and I cannot wait till it is fully released. I just hope that they do clearly see that the community is not blind, please don't insult our intelligence by trying to distract us with "shiny things" in the future.

Not entirely true, they're dealing with refunds on a "Case by case basis", which is corporate speak for "We're not committing to a formal refund policy over this and we're not admitting fault or liability for anything that's been said at this point." At this stage they're being -very- careful not to openly state they're willing to offer refunds to any and all who state that as a reason for wanting one because if they did it'd open the proverbial floodgates, even though arguably they're sticking fingers in a possible dam if this turns legal (especially as regards Kickstarter).

Cynical? Absolutely, but there we go.

 

[humbleton]

Can someone clarify for me ... is it Online or Offline that's been cancelled. I know I've turned up to this thread late. But I want to know if I should be just simply angry or super angry. Any help with getting me wound up either way is gratefully received. God I love that surge of indignation when things don't go my way. It's almost like my interfacing with Mrs. Humbleton. But she doesn't let me shout at her. Well not till afterwards.

So any help commanders.

Full offline is out. You can still do Solo online, as you can now. You need to be connected to the servers to facilitate several aspects of client/server communication (ie-market purchases, etc.) though.

Satire is a lesson, parody is a game.
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