No Single Player offline Mode then?

[tagos]

Well I have to agree. I'm not condoning the vitriol lobbed at FD on game sites, it's just a fact that it is happening. I, for one, have limited my voice to this forum, unless you count the dozens of positive, supportive posts I've made on game sites all over the internet.

If you fire bullets up in the air they are going to fall on your head. Regardless of the practicalities of offline provision this issue could not have been handled worse if they sub contracted the Star Citizen people to handle it for them. There is certainly no way at all that this delivery change was not known about a long time ago. Weeks certainly and months probably. Plenty of time to stop fuelling expectations and plenty of time to minimise the damage by announcing it properly embedded in a structured compensation or refund scheme.

It's the sneaky last minute, offhand, no big deal way it's been handled. It was stupid to do it this way and this time. It leaves a whole weekend where in PR terms they are not making the weather. Come Monday they are 2 days behind the story. Today their very first order of business has to be getting ahead of the story.

And just as an aside - the people whit knighting for Frontier here are making their job harder by appearing to be a bag of callous 'let them eat cake' prats and by extension tarring Frontier with the same brush. Frankly I'm a little surprised a bunch of you haven't Ben quietly told to stop talking because you aren't helping.

So come in Frontier, get a grip on this issue. It isn't minor, it's not going away and unless you do something significant it's going to be the mood music backing the launch event.

And when making your plans don't listen to whoever it was who said to handle it this way. They're either an idiot or a Star Citizen mole.

 

[CmdrPSB]

We want the moon on a stick.

We want to see the moon without having to receive any information from the moon in the form of light, because that's a form of DRM.

 

[JeffRyan]

That to me is absolutely despicable and disgusting behavior, and exactly like the GG .

Dude, folk getting angry because a promise was broken and told at the last minute isn't disgusting or despicable.

 

[Quietman]

People have overreacted massively, and had a right tantrum in effect trying to punish FD by doing as much damage as possible.

The vindicative, destructive stupidity of this behavior boggles the mind. People are petty, nasty creatures and can't behave like civilized beings.
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I wonder how many even realise that if Frontier put half a years's effort into creating a fully off-line mode for the game, that is half a year lost from actually putting in the features in the DDF into the main (online) game, and from working on the expansions.

Even those who are facing bad internet connections and such, do they think that situation will never recover. Do they think the world is going into a less-connected age, and they will forever be without reliable net access? A game that is planned to be developed over a decade should be worth embracing and supporting even if you are facing limited access in the immediate- or near future.

Such hateful, vindicative mob actions. Reminds me of the bloody gamergate idiocy.

Let me add some corrections to your sweeping generalisations:

- A small percentage of people "have overreacted massively, and had a right tantrum in effect trying to punish FD by doing as much damage as possible."

- A small percentage of self appointed white knights, (such as yourself), have overreacted massively and had a right tantrum in effect trying to punish every person in this thread who has a grievance to air.

- "The vindicative, destructive stupidity of this behavior boggles the mind. People are petty, nasty creatures and can't behave like civilized beings." Are you acting as a civilised human being right now? Are you being vindictive, destructive or stupid in your post? Are you being petty or nasty or are you the pot calling the kettle black?

- "I wonder how many even realise that if Frontier put half a years's effort into creating a fully off-line mode for the game, that is half a year lost from actually putting in the features in the DDF into the main (online) game, and from working on the expansions." What everyone does realise, is that FD said they would do a thing and then did the exact opposite thing at the 11th hour; whether it would take 6days, 6 weeks, 6months or even 6years to do that thing, is completely irrelevant. They said they would do it and they didn't.

- Comparing Threadnaught to Gamergate is the only real idiocy going on here, you need a reality check.

You perceive this widespread problem of evil and debauchery to be spreading through this thread and seeping into the rest of the FD development of ED; I would contend that you are commenting on a parallel universe as this thread isn't even remotely as evil as you think it is and whatever problems it does have, are only inflamed by your wild and out of control hysteria.

Your post and so many like it are actually where the real problem lies, you continually stoke and prod at the emotions of people with real grievances and of course some of them react in a likewise fashion; then someone else comes along and uses the output of your input to stoke and prod some more.

Garbage in causes garbage out.

 

[stimutacs]

Aaaand, yeah - people are in situations where the internet just won't happen. Go back and read the whole thread. We'll wait.

I think the lack of empathy is more driven by how limited their personal circumstances are. No job that takes them anywhere, no family to make pause essential, no car, no passport, have literally never seen it work any differently. If their only experience of "the internet" is using it from a filthy bedsit or your mum's basement, then of course, that's "the internet" - it's all they and the rest of their cohort know. It's like you told them people eat something other than oven food.

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

Sigh. This is why this thread is so long. Because no-one reads anything before jumping in and posting.

Lots of people have either no or intermittent internet because reasons. Unavoidable, unfixable reasons. Go back and look.

And your last point about there being an offline game has kind of been weaselled out of by Michael who said that an internet connection would be needed from 'time to time'. If I recall, he admitted this meant like every time you did something in game like purchases, ship changes, etc. So it's not really offline in any way that would make a difference.

Sorry, I haven't got the time to read close to 5000 posts. I like everyone else am adding my view. I read the OP, and the first page or two, then came to add my thoughts. I can't believe anyone would actually read the whole thread, actually. Don't people have families / work / games to get on with?

I maintain that anyone posting to this ONLINE internet forum clear does have some level of connectivity - whether it's sufficient is another matter, I agree. But quality of connectivity is only going to go one way, hence my Maslow comment. The fact I can play on a basic laptop, using basic BT wifi, mobile phone 3G or even hotel wifi (never that great), and I'm talking about ONLINE OPEN (not SOLO) play, shows it is possible. We don't need super-fast computers, super-fast wifi, etc, although they would undoubtedly help. I get a great gaming experience playing Elite.

What's being asked here (AFAIUI) is to periodically synch with servers - let's wait and see how it plays out. It's just like Microsoft does every month for Windows/Office updates, and Symantec does frequently for anti-virus updates. I see no difference, really, but your mileage may differ.

 

[Expicurious]

Yes, that's the way I read it too. A lot of people seem to be overreacting here.

 

[Spectre Alpha]

Absolutely agree.
The extent to which some people have gone to discredit EVERYTHING FD has done because of this one shortcoming is disgusting.

Everything they have done is to make a game, or at least almost make a game. The one little shortcoming is that they promised one game and delivered another, different one. That's quite a lot more than one little shortcoming, it's their reason for being a company, to make games.

 

[CMDR Byrt Makklin]

I'm glad we agree on the nature of GG.

I didn't meant the subject. I understand that some people are upset at an important-to-them feature being dropped, and the nature of how it was reported.

What is remenicient of GG is the mob justice and pressure group action. "Since we're not getting what we want, we'll punish Frontier, put commercial pressure on them by making sure they get as much bad press as possible".

That to me is absolutely despicable and disgusting behavior, and exactly like the GG .

I really haven't seen that many people saying 'let's go get 'em in the press'. And any press that does come FD's way as a result of this is entirely their own fault due to bad PR and poor decision making.

But sure, blame the customers who were expecting a hotdog, from which they were only going to eat the bun - for whatever reasons, I mean, it's their choice - but they got just a frankfurter. (I haven't seen a madcap analogy for a few pages, here you go.)

 

[Sanderson]

Yes. I was voicing my support, not accusing you of anything. I hope that was clear. The behaviour of some people here and in other sites is just incredibly petty and destructive IMO.

Thanks. I was afraid people was reading that as I was supporting the actions, I do not. I got a couple negative reps out of my posts and I was like "huh?"

 

[xxThe_Dice_manxx]

I could not care less about offline.

The fact is that everything in the KS was subject to change, the offline mob don't seem to understand this.

The way FD handled breaking the news could have been done a LOT better mind you.

The angry mob have done the real damage though, I'm waiting to see if they have done enough to kill this game for us all,time will tell.

 

[RGS]

What's being asked here (AFAIUI) is to periodically synch with servers - let's wait and see how it plays out. It's just like Microsoft does every month for Windows/Office updates, and Symantec does frequently for anti-virus updates. I see no difference, really, but your mileage may differ.

It's every time you trade or make any transaction in-game. From 'time to time' makes it sound a lot less severe, but it's been confirmed that a constant connection is needed to play.

(sorry if I misunderstood your point)

 

[Erna Jedermann]

If some of the defender think that I going to refund or quit..NO
@Adept so long as you put Oil in the Fire I will see and like that this fire.

I really have no problem that some here defending the arguments pro FD, but also please accept that here are also many others which see the problem from an different point....

 

[Spectre Alpha]

Thanks. I was afraid people was reading that as I was supporting the actions, I do not. I got a couple negative reps out of my posts and I was like "huh?"

I Do support free speech, especially when people are bait and switched.

 

[the darkwalker]

this thread is becoming too violent.

too many people unaffected by the problem blatantly troll-baiting for no apparent reason

calm down or they will lock the thread
well actually, what happens if they lock this thread?

 

[Jaynay27]

It pains me that my first post on these forums (after being an original kickstarter backer) if one of concern about the no offline SP decision.
I am not ready to burn Frontier at the stake, but I do see this a breach of trust, given the statements made during the KS campaign.

Whilst I do generally enjoy relatively constant and reliable internet there are many reasons why this decision is concerning and I sympathise with those who will be unable to play because of this.
I would have thought the backlash from games like D3 and Simcity would have deterred any developer from going down this path, with the criticism these games received, but obviously not.

I *REALLY* hope this is not some 'defacto' DRM decision either. As a backer of the kickstarter (And much like most of you i would assume) I was more than happy to pay full price for the game and don't like being treated like a pirate.

For now I will adopt a 'wait and see' approach in the hopes of further clarification come Monday.

 

[lysan]

FD should just make a statement that IF the servers are shut down, they will release the server code so we can continue playing the game as long as we want "offline"

 

[dale0404]

Simple answer, if you aint got tinternet don't play it.

If that aint good enough for ya then get a refund / rant / throw your dummy in the corner etc. I don't really care tbh.

321 pages in and it still goes on...

I do understand your grievances but its like locking the stable door once the horse has bolted. If this is the decision that FD has taken, whining about it isn't going to change it now.

 

[CMDR Byrt Makklin]

well actually, what happens if they lock this thread?

We'll all get some new ships and an insurance bump. And a real Thargoid plush toy.

 

[SuBSynk]

Everything they have done is to make a game, or at least almost make a game. The one little shortcoming is that they promised one game and delivered another, different one. That's quite a lot more than one little shortcoming, it's their reason for being a company, to make games.

Same game only some people who can't be bothered to sort out internet but still somehow consider themselves as gamers see it as a different game.

No excuses, connection to the internet is not a thing of the future. Dongles, phones etc all can provide the connection that allows the game to connect enough to be played online.

If you haven't got the money then you need to get that sorted not blame FD. If you decide to go traveling and for some odd reason have no dongle etc again not FD's fault.

Whatever we say tho makes no difference these people have set their position and will remain angry and destructive no matter what is said.

It got boring 200 pages ago, descended into idiocy around 150 pages ago and is now but a open cesspit for the crazies to spill their bile into.

Lets compare the lack of offline to the Ebola outbreak again shall we ? That was my personal highlight of the thread.