My ship has a coffee machine!Pretty sure Ram Tah mentioned some of our current ship tech was better than theirs. Despite them having 8,000 years of space travel. I'd have to search for it, but 80% positive on that. Also is reckon I'd be easier to get information across faster than it is to get a spaceship to move faster.
It was definitely details of ftl comms that were transmitted in flight. The colonists then setup FTL comms when they landed.Ah yes, I’d forgotten that the ark ships started out as non-FTL, but was it details of FTL comms or FTL travel that were transmitted to them during flight? I’ve forgotten the details. Could those ships have then been converted to FTL propulsion during their journey?
And if not, then given Guardian cooperative nature and with the ability to use FTL comms I suspect it’s a possibility that those ships were overtaken by FTL ships to continue their journey. As always in this game, there are several possibilities and insufficient detail.
The problem is, everything about this game is either vague or confusing. There is a Kodex that can and put online. But if you’re going to your ships computer you have a codex there. That is the Kodak’s I’m talking about.You really need to chill your beans a little bit, and stop with posting this kind of stuff.
Less mouth and more ear, and you might actually get something of value out of it.
Edit - redacted the above, as with one of the posts it was replying to now removed it sounds very harsh.
It was a simple question that I asked you. You said:
So no, you didn’t say you were talking about the Codex. You said what I’ve just quoted.
You might have meant the Codex when you said what you said, but it’s not what you said.
All you needed to do was say that when you said ‘the Lore’ you meant ‘the Codex’.
Now on the point of lore, the most definitive lore on when the Guardians existed is the statement from David Braben.
Personally I’m not fond of getting definitive knowledge from out-of-game sources as it constitutes preternatural knowledge when considered from an in-game perspective IMHO. So if you want to restrict it to a ‘what can we work out just from in-game sources of info?’ then I’m more than happy to talk about that if you would like.
Your reply were you say it’s a subtle pint, do you mean that RAM TAH And his information were solely responsible for the info in the ships Codex? I did not think that was the case because he does not mention any kind of timeline in his logs. I assumed your codex was put together by the developers to give you a layout of the basic game elements.Ok, so it’s a subtle point, but as we’re getting Ram Tah’s words stating his interpretation of the data, we’re getting the data second hand.
It’s subtle but important. Especially when considering that Ram Tah gives information about current events which is wrong.
Indeed. And parse it multiple times and cross-reference, and take into account the journey of discovery going on within the logs and the supercedence of information as more data gets discovered.
Sure. Though the question is clues to what - something tangible in game, or clues to enable deduction of unwritten information.
And some which are clue and puzzle in themselves.
For example the glyph for ‘moon’ representing the waxing and waning of the moon on the Guardians’ home planet.
So we know the Guardian homeworld has (or at least had) a moon.
And it sounds like it should be a very strong hint that at least one glyph which we should be able to concretely identify.
A representation of our moon’s waxing and waning using what’s available on a standard keyboard is as follows:
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So in principle there should be a glyph that should be comparable (even if only remotely), or somehow built from a similar representational idea. As far as I’m aware though no such glyph has yet been successfully identified.
By player, I’m referring to the science community usually. Canon is not the only group it’s just the most public one. But there are plenty of would-be scientists out there who talk to you like experts and a lot of them will tell you to blatantly ignore all of the markings citing that they are purely aesthetic. Not only do the patterns suggest otherwise, but all of the Guardian logs stand in stark contradiction to that statement.Not sure where you would find "Player" Archaeologists - Most in the bar I hangout are the solid square type. Reminds me- I ran into an ex-student of Professor Melville - He seemed to think that there was more to what Melville was searching for. and showed me a pic.
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Curious that Thargoid symbols and Guardian ones look rather similar... Not sold on the giant Space Slug... But Melville did name his ship the Cete....
I was reading about that about a week ago. And I think so. According to the logs the Guardian civilization advanced so quickly that they were able to not only communicate in FTL But also their ship technology had surpassed expectation. They were supposedly able to communicate and catch up to the arks they had sent out just a few years before. Before the arks even reached their destination.Ah yes, I’d forgotten that the ark ships started out as non-FTL, but was it details of FTL comms or FTL travel that were transmitted to them during flight? I’ve forgotten the details. Could those ships have then been converted to FTL propulsion during their journey?
And if not, then given Guardian cooperative nature and with the ability to use FTL comms I suspect it’s a possibility that those ships were overtaken by FTL ships to continue their journey. As always in this game, there are several possibilities and insufficient detail.
The Kodak’s claims the guardians were in space for 8000 years. The discovery logs for your discoveries claim that the sentinels are several million years old.
Braben is not supposed to be a factor in solving the puzzle.
According to the logs and the popular lore the guardians have only been extinct for 1 million years. That is the problem. That is 1 million and 8000. That does not add up to 2 million. It definitely does not say several million. Which is how the sentinels are described in your ships computer. Several million gives the impression of more than even two.I think there is some confusion here. Guardians were a spacefaring race. From the time they got into space to the time they got "wiped out". They were spacefaring for 8000 years. Kinda how humans have only been spacefaring for only 60 some years in real life. Considerably less than 2000 years in game.
Now if we were to die out. And our technology bots somehow survived.... And someone found them 2 million years later. Then that bot would be 2 million years old. Plus or minus manufacturing date.
Ya i think FD use the “Engineers” in game because they have ways of interacting with players. The story telling aspects in galnet took a hit a while back so i wouldn't hope for a union of angry archaeologists demanding Ram Tah turn over his research (well maybe the Scriviners could fill that role?). As far as players go - ya everyone has their pet theories and have a tendency to filter out things that disagree with themBy player, I’m referring to the science community usually. Canon is not the only group it’s just the most public one. But there are plenty of would-be scientists out there who talk to you like experts and a lot of them will tell you to blatantly ignore all of the markings citing that they are purely aesthetic. Not only do the patterns suggest otherwise, but all of the Guardian logs stand in stark contradiction to that statement.
The thing that annoys me about how this is set up is that there is no scientific or archaeological community in game. You have plenty of engineers, but at least one or two of these governments should have museums and archaeologists and a scientific community. None of these things seem to be present in the game. So a bunch of players with varying amounts of education and comprehension have decided to try to fill the void.
I am a little ahead of a few people on discoveries about the guardians, and I am no scientist. I was dumped by my parents on the side of a road at age 15 and I don’t even have a high school diploma. So I get a bit cynical and y because people are much more educated than myself keep blowing off obvious clues and then talking down to me. It gets frustrating after a while. I am probably the least qualified person to be doing any of this
No, I’m not saying that at all.Your reply were you say it’s a subtle pint, do you mean that RAM TAH And his information were solely responsible for the info in the ships Codex? I did not think that was the case because he does not mention any kind of timeline in his logs. I assumed your codex was put together by the developers to give you a layout of the basic game elements.
(Yes of course it’s being provided by FD out of game, just like everything else, but in-game it’s being provided by the Pilots Federation for its members.)For the Codex Knowledge Base info, the info is being provided by the Pilots Federation, but the source of that info is not known (except where the source is specifically stated).
The problem is, everything about this game is either vague or confusing. There is a Kodex that can and put online. But if you’re going to your ships computer you have a codex there. That is the Kodak’s I’m talking about.
To be absolutely clear both of these logs are found in your onboard computer on your spaceship.
The Kodak’s claims the guardians were in space for 8000 years. The discovery logs for your discoveries claim that the sentinels are several million years old.
Braben is not supposed to be a factor in solving the puzzle. If you are immersed in the environment that person does not exist. You are just supposed to be able to work the clues put in that environment.
The Guardian Kodak’s as posted by Canons codex seems to lack any kind of timeline. Which actually makes it more confusing. And I am starting to think that they never made one because the information in your onboard ships computer under the word codex seems contradictory.
According to the logs and the popular lore the guardians have only been extinct for 1 million years. That is the problem. That is 1 million and 8000. That does not add up to 2 million. It definitely does not say several million. Which is how the sentinels are described in your ships computer. Several million gives the impression of more than even two.
Yet, if you do the math in the computer, the best estimation for their extinction is around one to one and a half million years. +8000 years of civilization. So either the sentinels were already there, or there’s a discrepancy in the way the logs were written. You would have to be absolutely certain that the guardians were extinct for at least 2 million years to be able to write it that way in the logs. And that’s not the way it’s written
Could you give a link or screenshot for any source that states that they’ve only been extinct for 1 million years?According to the logs and the popular lore the guardians have only been extinct for 1 million years.
Nope. Either it was too obtuse or there was nothing there.There were some recent suggestions in this thread that something has been missed (probably relating to Guardians from the use of the triangular hand symbol). Has anyone investigated?
Curious statement on the Frameshift Live today…
In the Frameshift Live stream today, around 1:07:20 in, there is a brief 30 second statement by Arthur. Arthur states there are obvious game events and things like the war,… but also states that there is stuff right in front of us that we are missing. Anyone else catch this? Any thoughts?forums.frontier.co.uk
FD put the Obtuse in FOD!Nope. Either it was too obtuse or there was nothing there.
Well... a listening post from project persephone has been found, so there's that. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/new-listening-post-found-in-hip-83788.617387/There were some recent suggestions in this thread that something has been missed (probably relating to Guardians from the use of the triangular hand symbol). Has anyone investigated?
Curious statement on the Frameshift Live today…
In the Frameshift Live stream today, around 1:07:20 in, there is a brief 30 second statement by Arthur. Arthur states there are obvious game events and things like the war,… but also states that there is stuff right in front of us that we are missing. Anyone else catch this? Any thoughts?forums.frontier.co.uk
They’ve been rubbing it in my face for months. This seems to be a reference to the Guardian civilization and a large secret about that civilization that we never unlocked. They are repeatedly saying there’s something very subtle that we’ve been missing. While making blue triangles on the tables and things like that.There were some recent suggestions in this thread that something has been missed (probably relating to Guardians from the use of the triangular hand symbol). Has anyone investigated?
Curious statement on the Frameshift Live today…
In the Frameshift Live stream today, around 1:07:20 in, there is a brief 30 second statement by Arthur. Arthur states there are obvious game events and things like the war,… but also states that there is stuff right in front of us that we are missing. Anyone else catch this? Any thoughts?forums.frontier.co.uk