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Ah yes, I’d forgotten that the ark ships started out as non-FTL, but was it details of FTL comms or FTL travel that were transmitted to them during flight? I’ve forgotten the details. Could those ships have then been converted to FTL propulsion during their journey?

And if not, then given Guardian cooperative nature and with the ability to use FTL comms I suspect it’s a possibility that those ships were overtaken by FTL ships to continue their journey. As always in this game, there are several possibilities and insufficient detail.
It was definitely details of ftl comms that were transmitted in flight. The colonists then setup FTL comms when they landed.

It’s not explicitly stated when FTL travel was discovered, just that the use of the arks kept the population under control until FTL travel (hyperspace specifically) was discovered. It’s probably more likely to have been after the colonies and interstellar FTL comms network were established IMHO, but again it’s not explicitly stated to be the case.
 
You really need to chill your beans a little bit, and stop with posting this kind of stuff.

Less mouth and more ear, and you might actually get something of value out of it.


Edit - redacted the above, as with one of the posts it was replying to now removed it sounds very harsh.

It was a simple question that I asked you. You said:



So no, you didn’t say you were talking about the Codex. You said what I’ve just quoted.

You might have meant the Codex when you said what you said, but it’s not what you said.

All you needed to do was say that when you said ‘the Lore’ you meant ‘the Codex’.


Now on the point of lore, the most definitive lore on when the Guardians existed is the statement from David Braben.

Personally I’m not fond of getting definitive knowledge from out-of-game sources as it constitutes preternatural knowledge when considered from an in-game perspective IMHO. So if you want to restrict it to a ‘what can we work out just from in-game sources of info?’ then I’m more than happy to talk about that if you would like.
The problem is, everything about this game is either vague or confusing. There is a Kodex that can and put online. But if you’re going to your ships computer you have a codex there. That is the Kodak’s I’m talking about.
To be absolutely clear both of these logs are found in your onboard computer on your spaceship.
The Kodak’s claims the guardians were in space for 8000 years. The discovery logs for your discoveries claim that the sentinels are several million years old.
Braben is not supposed to be a factor in solving the puzzle. If you are immersed in the environment that person does not exist. You are just supposed to be able to work the clues put in that environment.
The Guardian Kodak’s as posted by Canons codex seems to lack any kind of timeline. Which actually makes it more confusing. And I am starting to think that they never made one because the information in your onboard ships computer under the word codex seems contradictory.
 
Ok, so it’s a subtle point, but as we’re getting Ram Tah’s words stating his interpretation of the data, we’re getting the data second hand.

It’s subtle but important. Especially when considering that Ram Tah gives information about current events which is wrong.


Indeed. And parse it multiple times and cross-reference, and take into account the journey of discovery going on within the logs and the supercedence of information as more data gets discovered.


Sure. Though the question is clues to what - something tangible in game, or clues to enable deduction of unwritten information.

And some which are clue and puzzle in themselves.

For example the glyph for ‘moon’ representing the waxing and waning of the moon on the Guardians’ home planet.

So we know the Guardian homeworld has (or at least had) a moon.

And it sounds like it should be a very strong hint that at least one glyph which we should be able to concretely identify.

A representation of our moon’s waxing and waning using what’s available on a standard keyboard is as follows:

) D O C| (

So in principle there should be a glyph that should be comparable (even if only remotely), or somehow built from a similar representational idea. As far as I’m aware though no such glyph has yet been successfully identified.
Your reply were you say it’s a subtle pint, do you mean that RAM TAH And his information were solely responsible for the info in the ships Codex? I did not think that was the case because he does not mention any kind of timeline in his logs. I assumed your codex was put together by the developers to give you a layout of the basic game elements.
 
Not sure where you would find "Player" Archaeologists - Most in the bar I hangout are the solid square type. Reminds me- I ran into an ex-student of Professor Melville - He seemed to think that there was more to what Melville was searching for. and showed me a pic.

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Curious that Thargoid symbols and Guardian ones look rather similar... Not sold on the giant Space Slug... But Melville did name his ship the Cete....
By player, I’m referring to the science community usually. Canon is not the only group it’s just the most public one. But there are plenty of would-be scientists out there who talk to you like experts and a lot of them will tell you to blatantly ignore all of the markings citing that they are purely aesthetic. Not only do the patterns suggest otherwise, but all of the Guardian logs stand in stark contradiction to that statement.
The thing that annoys me about how this is set up is that there is no scientific or archaeological community in game. You have plenty of engineers, but at least one or two of these governments should have museums and archaeologists and a scientific community. None of these things seem to be present in the game. So a bunch of players with varying amounts of education and comprehension have decided to try to fill the void.
I am a little ahead of a few people on discoveries about the guardians, and I am no scientist. I was dumped by my parents on the side of a road at age 15 and I don’t even have a high school diploma. So I get a bit cynical and y because people are much more educated than myself keep blowing off obvious clues and then talking down to me. It gets frustrating after a while. I am probably the least qualified person to be doing any of this
 
Ah yes, I’d forgotten that the ark ships started out as non-FTL, but was it details of FTL comms or FTL travel that were transmitted to them during flight? I’ve forgotten the details. Could those ships have then been converted to FTL propulsion during their journey?

And if not, then given Guardian cooperative nature and with the ability to use FTL comms I suspect it’s a possibility that those ships were overtaken by FTL ships to continue their journey. As always in this game, there are several possibilities and insufficient detail.
I was reading about that about a week ago. And I think so. According to the logs the Guardian civilization advanced so quickly that they were able to not only communicate in FTL But also their ship technology had surpassed expectation. They were supposedly able to communicate and catch up to the arks they had sent out just a few years before. Before the arks even reached their destination.
The discrepancy for me there is, how long was that? It doesn’t really say. The ark ships could have been expected to fly for a century for all we know. The frustrating part about all of these logs is they kind of are written in a way that keeps you from being able to establish any real timeline, not to mention we don’t know how the guardians observed time. What was a year to them? We have no clue.
I am hoping that if we can crack some of the language more of this will be explained
 
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The Kodak’s claims the guardians were in space for 8000 years. The discovery logs for your discoveries claim that the sentinels are several million years old.
Braben is not supposed to be a factor in solving the puzzle.

I think there is some confusion here. Guardians were a spacefaring race. From the time they got into space to the time they got "wiped out". They were spacefaring for 8000 years. Kinda how humans have only been spacefaring for only 60 some years in real life. Considerably less than 2000 years in game.

Now if we were to die out. And our technology bots somehow survived.... And someone found them 2 million years later. Then that bot would be 2 million years old. Plus or minus manufacturing date.
 
I think there is some confusion here. Guardians were a spacefaring race. From the time they got into space to the time they got "wiped out". They were spacefaring for 8000 years. Kinda how humans have only been spacefaring for only 60 some years in real life. Considerably less than 2000 years in game.

Now if we were to die out. And our technology bots somehow survived.... And someone found them 2 million years later. Then that bot would be 2 million years old. Plus or minus manufacturing date.
According to the logs and the popular lore the guardians have only been extinct for 1 million years. That is the problem. That is 1 million and 8000. That does not add up to 2 million. It definitely does not say several million. Which is how the sentinels are described in your ships computer. Several million gives the impression of more than even two.
Yet, if you do the math in the computer, the best estimation for their extinction is around one to one and a half million years. +8000 years of civilization. So either the sentinels were already there, or there’s a discrepancy in the way the logs were written. You would have to be absolutely certain that the guardians were extinct for at least 2 million years to be able to write it that way in the logs. And that’s not the way it’s written
 
By player, I’m referring to the science community usually. Canon is not the only group it’s just the most public one. But there are plenty of would-be scientists out there who talk to you like experts and a lot of them will tell you to blatantly ignore all of the markings citing that they are purely aesthetic. Not only do the patterns suggest otherwise, but all of the Guardian logs stand in stark contradiction to that statement.
The thing that annoys me about how this is set up is that there is no scientific or archaeological community in game. You have plenty of engineers, but at least one or two of these governments should have museums and archaeologists and a scientific community. None of these things seem to be present in the game. So a bunch of players with varying amounts of education and comprehension have decided to try to fill the void.
I am a little ahead of a few people on discoveries about the guardians, and I am no scientist. I was dumped by my parents on the side of a road at age 15 and I don’t even have a high school diploma. So I get a bit cynical and y because people are much more educated than myself keep blowing off obvious clues and then talking down to me. It gets frustrating after a while. I am probably the least qualified person to be doing any of this
Ya i think FD use the “Engineers” in game because they have ways of interacting with players. The story telling aspects in galnet took a hit a while back so i wouldn't hope for a union of angry archaeologists demanding Ram Tah turn over his research (well maybe the Scriviners could fill that role?). As far as players go - ya everyone has their pet theories and have a tendency to filter out things that disagree with them 😁 Im all for more people studying guardian stuff- i think there is probably stuff that has been missed an i suspect more things might “appear”. Look forward to seeing what you find.
 
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Your reply were you say it’s a subtle pint, do you mean that RAM TAH And his information were solely responsible for the info in the ships Codex? I did not think that was the case because he does not mention any kind of timeline in his logs. I assumed your codex was put together by the developers to give you a layout of the basic game elements.
No, I’m not saying that at all.

What I’m saying is that the messages that Ram Tah sends you when you’re doing his missions are his words describing what he’s found from the data from that particular obelisk and his thoughts and feelings on it. He’s not sending you either the data itself, or a word for word translation of it.

The info in the Codex is as here:

For the Codex Knowledge Base info, the info is being provided by the Pilots Federation, but the source of that info is not known (except where the source is specifically stated).
(Yes of course it’s being provided by FD out of game, just like everything else, but in-game it’s being provided by the Pilots Federation for its members.)
 
The problem is, everything about this game is either vague or confusing. There is a Kodex that can and put online. But if you’re going to your ships computer you have a codex there. That is the Kodak’s I’m talking about.
To be absolutely clear both of these logs are found in your onboard computer on your spaceship.
The Kodak’s claims the guardians were in space for 8000 years. The discovery logs for your discoveries claim that the sentinels are several million years old.
Braben is not supposed to be a factor in solving the puzzle. If you are immersed in the environment that person does not exist. You are just supposed to be able to work the clues put in that environment.
The Guardian Kodak’s as posted by Canons codex seems to lack any kind of timeline. Which actually makes it more confusing. And I am starting to think that they never made one because the information in your onboard ships computer under the word codex seems contradictory.


According to the logs and the popular lore the guardians have only been extinct for 1 million years. That is the problem. That is 1 million and 8000. That does not add up to 2 million. It definitely does not say several million. Which is how the sentinels are described in your ships computer. Several million gives the impression of more than even two.
Yet, if you do the math in the computer, the best estimation for their extinction is around one to one and a half million years. +8000 years of civilization. So either the sentinels were already there, or there’s a discrepancy in the way the logs were written. You would have to be absolutely certain that the guardians were extinct for at least 2 million years to be able to write it that way in the logs. And that’s not the way it’s written

Don’t take this as an insult or criticism, but you seem to be seeing an issue where there genuinely isn’t one.

I covered all the main sources in my post here:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/guardians-discussions.380519/post-10081815

As I said in the post, it’s all consistent and coherent, and what it amounts to is that the Guardians were a spacefaring civilisation for around 8,000 years, about 2 million years or so ago.

According to the logs and the popular lore the guardians have only been extinct for 1 million years.
Could you give a link or screenshot for any source that states that they’ve only been extinct for 1 million years?

I’ve done a screenshot and direct quotes from sources in the post I’ve linked to, so it’s all there for anyone to read.

If you’ve got any sources that I haven’t already got in the table then I’ll happily add them.
 
There were some recent suggestions in this thread that something has been missed (probably relating to Guardians from the use of the triangular hand symbol). Has anyone investigated?

 
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There were some recent suggestions in this thread that something has been missed (probably relating to Guardians from the use of the triangular hand symbol). Has anyone investigated?

Nope. Either it was too obtuse or there was nothing there.
 
There were some recent suggestions in this thread that something has been missed (probably relating to Guardians from the use of the triangular hand symbol). Has anyone investigated?

Well... a listening post from project persephone has been found, so there's that. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/new-listening-post-found-in-hip-83788.617387/
Maybe it was there for 7 years and nobody found it.

In the meantime I have not found anything new yet during my deep search of guardian territory.
 
There were some recent suggestions in this thread that something has been missed (probably relating to Guardians from the use of the triangular hand symbol). Has anyone investigated?

They’ve been rubbing it in my face for months. This seems to be a reference to the Guardian civilization and a large secret about that civilization that we never unlocked. They are repeatedly saying there’s something very subtle that we’ve been missing. While making blue triangles on the tables and things like that.
According to our research at the GSC, there appears to have been a puzzle there that started about five or six years ago. The three types of ruins are all in varying stages of erosion. The more we look outside the guardian bubble, the more we find Ruins that are in fairly pristine condition and a lot of features are popping out that were not noticed before. The ruins appear to be a three stage puzzle that is trying to teach you some thing about the net work laid out with structures and beacons. The theory that we are looking at considering all of the things we are now finding at the structures is that there is a process that was missed in which you reactivate the guardians monolith net work , and Inso doing gain access to the locked sector around Gamma Velorum. many people theorize that this area was the guardian home region, but we are not positive of that. We are certain that it is connected to the region around the star, hen 2-333. And it is also seemingly connected to the battlefield at trapezium, which, as everyone knows has a structure that requires a key but no beacon has been found in the area connected to that structure. Between these three destinations, we believe the puzzle is trying to tell us something, but the language has been difficult to break down. the reason it is so difficult is because it seems to change between the alpha, beta, and gamma ruins.
Alpha appears to be a system map with a series of timing or alignment features on its surface. The beta ruin appears to be a series of abstract course corrections and gamma seems to lay out a complex process. We believe all three are connected and referred directly to the structures. we are finding features in the structures that suggest moving parts and interlocking metal beams. Along with sockets on some of the overhangs that appear to require an orb or an urn to activate. But the slots are not fully opened to receive these items, so we are trying to figure out what the process of opening those structures is. For the last several months, I have been telling the entire team that we are over complicating the puzzle and that there is something very obvious that we are missing. After saying this, I have discovered that in several interviews, the developers have made hints pretty much confirming that theory.
 
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