No Single Player offline Mode then?

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With regard to all who criticise those of us who feel a sense of grievance, I wonder how you'd feel if DB had said instead that, owing to its huge complexity etc, the online game was being cancelled and only offline would be available. Hmm?

I suspect we'd have a whole different bunch of the aggrieved, except of course that they'd have good reasons for complaining and not the bad ones we're currently reading. True?

Nope, not true.
 
Nope sorry you obviously have not read the thread through, stats were given out by mods on this topic and its proven to be approx 100 complainers making the thread so long due to posting up to 150+ times. Then you have countless people on the other side telling them to calm down etc and that's not to mention all those that are sat on the fence.

Think before you post or at least read the thread more thoroughly.

Care to think that some people might not be able to post on the Internet due to the lack of Internet? And that's why they wanted an offline-game?
 
The fundamental point still remains the breach of trust:
1. Product offered for backing/pre-order that included offline mode.
2. Offline mode subsequently confirmed on more than one medium.
3. Customers pay money for said product.
4. Offline feature switched off before development complete.
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Why is it difficult for some people to see this as a breach of trust and as such a very negative outcome for *everyone*? And I really do mean *everyone*, even those who don't actually give two hoots about the dropped feature. Are people's morals generally completely lacking these days? We, *WE* - the entire customer base - *ought* to be united on this. Every single one of us. Instead of being derisory amongst each other and dividing into opposition.
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In short - what FD has done is NOT RIGHT. It needs to be acknowledged by all and voiced as not being right and proper.
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Would anyone care to disagree with that sentiment?

Yep, I care to disagree with your sentiment.

First off, it is beyond me why so many are requesting a solo/offline mode in a game that is intended to be played with others, afterall it is a dynamic massively multiplayer world that reacts to the players actions. This would not be possible if people were allowed to play offline, without the server synced up to their world, and vice versa.

It is also beyond me that you are speaking of "trust". It seems you are unaware of how kickstarter works. While the developers have to produce a product after reaching their goals, none of the specifics are written in stone. They have the full freedom to change, move around, manipulate any aspects of the game, at any given point. This is important to ensure that the product is actually living up to its standards and to the technology of the time, rather than being chained by early development promises which in the end make little to no sense. Btw, you are not an investor, all the money you have provided to the development was out of good will, they don't have to meet your individual visions of the game.

I for one believe that this change is necessary to the overall experience. As I said earlier, why a solo mode was planned in the first place is beyond me. There is no fun in mining/trading when there is no fear of another intelligent player looking to pirate you nor is it any fun to fight AI all the time.
 
Looked at it, and David is buy tweeting about this instead of saying something himself.

Not impressed by the way, this guy benefits directly from this game, how do you expect anything else but him defending this desaster.
And he is wrong too, it IS about DRM. Did not publish my comment, where I explained it to him, either.

Maybe your "comment" was not correct so not worth replying to ? just saying. :)
 
Being bad at PR isn't the same as being a liar.

So promising one thing and not doing it is called "bad PR" in english... I guess the statement is about a bad way of communicating that misinterpretation of the sentence: "it will be possible to have a single player game without connecting to the galaxy server." - So what did we get wrong, through bad PR? The "it will be possible"-Part? Or the "without connecting to the galaxy server" - Part?

Please enlighten us...
 
With regard to all who criticise those of us who feel a sense of grievance, I wonder how you'd feel if DB had said instead that, owing to its huge complexity etc, the online game was being cancelled and only offline would be available. Hmm?

I suspect we'd have a whole different bunch of the aggrieved, except of course that they'd have good reasons for complaining and not the bad ones we're currently reading. True?

If the game was advertised in a way which suggested it was mainly based around a offline experience, i'd be a bit upset but certainly not upset enough as to be offensive toward the staff and ask for a refund.

Your question fails on even that point though doesn't it.
 
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Yes there is, but this wasn't necessary on the game that we backed. Now we need to go and spend our time that we would have been spending in game to try and debug an issue that was created by FD.

Except DRM is used with the intention to stop piracy and control the use of a product after sale. Saying that an online game has always-on DRM simply because it's online is ludicrous. You're not being forced to have an internet connection just so the game can verify you bought it, the game has online because it was always intended to be played online (which is mentioned in the thread I linked to you in my last post).

Do you consider the multiplayer segments of something like Call of Duty to have always-on DRM? What about Quake? Or World of Warcraft? Are they using always-on DRM or are they games that were designed to be played online? Do you see the two as being distinct?

You'll get told those games aren't DRM because you can play them on LAN and single payer.

DRM has a large range of definitions. Doesn't mean every game that's online only has DRM. You're curvy, DRM friends on the intent of the developer; there's nothing stopping me from playing ED on a copy someone else bought. Nothing at all, once they give me their account details.

That's not DRM in its controversial nature. That's the problem here. No one reasonable would be unhappy that an online game needs the internet to work. People don't loathe DRM because online only games technicality fall into the category under one variation of the definition.

People hate DRM because it's invasive and aggressive and harms non pirates more than it harms pirates.

This, my friend, is a case of some people latching on to the only straw left to clutch in relation to whether kick starter pledges should be refunded.

They shouldn't. DRM has nothing to do with the reason offline mode will be missed. It's because some purple won't be able to play the game.

I have a lot of sympathy for them. Not so much for people upset because ED is now, in their eyes, DRM.

If you can't play the game, that's a bad thing. But if you can and are simply upset you need to authenticate your copy to play, your intentions are cloudy at best.
 
With regard to all who criticise those of us who feel a sense of grievance, I wonder how you'd feel if DB had said instead that, owing to its huge complexity etc, the online game was being cancelled and only offline would be available. Hmm?

I suspect we'd have a whole different bunch of the aggrieved, except of course that they'd have good reasons for complaining and not the bad ones we're currently reading. True?

False.

The reasons as to why this is happening has been detailed in this thread. It even includes information on how to ask for a refund.

The main grievance seems to be that Frontier said they were going to implement an offline mode. That's not possible any more (see above linked thread). There's nothing to suggest it was done deliberately, it happened through the natural development of the game. If you want your money back, go and get your money back.
 
False.

The reasons as to why this is happening has been detailed in this thread. It even includes information on how to ask for a refund.

The main grievance seems to be that Frontier said they were going to implement an offline mode. That's not possible any more (see above linked thread). There's nothing to suggest it was done deliberately, it happened through the natural development of the game. If you want your money back, go and get your money back.

Even though FD did not do it deliberatley it sadly wont stop some here whining endlessly.........
 
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That FD meeting is sure taking a long time

I saw David tweeting 20 mins ago. They aren't in meeting. There won't be follow up imho.

Well it did take them 2 years before they reluctantly told us offline was dead :p

It would not surprise me if they continue the 'full steam ahead, nothing to see here' approach as seen in the last newsletter.

Amazing that DB's recent tweet links to Drew's analysis of the offline situation, rather than provide his own analysis.

He refers to it as a 'nice piece'.

Amazing - now, hes just rubbing salt into the wound :D

Still waiting for refund response from FD.
 
Full offline is out. You can still do Solo online, as you can now. You need to be connected to the servers to facilitate several aspects of client/server communication (ie-market purchases, etc.) though.

will you not, or can not understand you, the many
here your solo ONLINE can not play because there no end
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It is a slideshow by exellent !!!!
 
No they do not have a right at all, this game is still in beta, if they want an interview let it be from the devs, not from a group of angry emotional people. this is a private Beta forum, they shouldnt be able to post in this forum at all, it is for people that have paid money early to have kickstarter/Alpha/Beta acsess.

It's a free world. They can speak to whomever they please.
 
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