Game Discussions Bethesda Softworks Starfield Space RPG

[Northpin]

I think you are missing the point entirely here...

Nope, i'm not missing the point.
I'm a PC player and i dont care about console exclusives.

As a result, i dont care if MS gets Activision or not

And to be honest, i'm more worried about Sony's vast IP owning rights in various entertainment areas (Movies, Music AND Games) than i'm worried about MS getting another gaming studio that will keep releasing games for PC (and maybe for other gaming platforms too)

 

[Old Duck]

Has it been confirmed whether a MS account is required? If it is I can a least remove Starfield from my wish list

I feel like I read this somewhere, but I don't remember where. Right now it's more "rumor" than "fact" in my mind.

Usual shenanigans from Microsoft:

FTC: Xbox-exclusive Starfield is “powerful evidence” against Activision deal

“Microsoft’s actions following… acquisition of ZeniMax speak louder than… words.”…

arstechnica.com

I was very disappointed when I first learned that Microsoft was acquiring Bethesda. Activision doesn't make any games that I'm interested in, so I'm less bothered by that, though I do oppose it from a philosophical standpoint. I guess we'll see how things play out with Starfield. Of course Sony is also a devil, but at least Sony doesn't control my PC like Microsoft does.

 

[amigacooke]

Of course Sony is also a devil, but at least Sony doesn't control my PC like Microsoft does.

Don't put up with it!

Get a PC Apple control

 

[Old Duck]

Get a PC Apple control

Apple is worse than Microsoft! Linux is the only true freedom to be found, but odds are Starfield won't be working on Linux anytime soon.

I'm not as religious in my believes as Morbad, so Starfield being owned by Microsoft won't prevent me from buying it, but I'll be watching closely how anal Microsoft is when it comes to tying Starfield to a Microsoft / XBox account. Even I have my limits when it comes to this crap.

 

[Star Wanderer]

From Steam:​

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS​

• MINIMUM:
  • OS: Windows 10 version 22H2 (10.0.19045)
  • Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 2600X, Intel Core i7-6800K
  • Memory: 16 GB RAM
  • Graphics: AMD Radeon RX 5700, NVIDIA GeForce 1070 Ti
  • DirectX: Version 12
  • Storage: 125 GB available space
  • Additional Notes: SSD Required
• RECOMMENDED:
  • OS: Windows 10/11 with updates
  • Processor: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X, Intel i5-10600K
  • Memory: 16 GB RAM
  • Graphics: AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
  • DirectX: Version 12
  • Network: Broadband Internet connection
  • Storage: 125 GB available space
  • Additional Notes: SSD Required

What? i5-10600k as recomended? Are they out of their mind? How poorly optimized is this game going to be, if it needs 6 core with almost 5GHz CPU to run it on Recommended settings.
And 6800XT too? Have they lost their minds?
Also why would they pair 6800 XT with 2080 RTX? They are miles apart in performance.

 

[Comandante]

I only bought Windows OS specifically to play ED. That's all: Log in, launch the game, play, reboot into an OS I feel comfortable with and that's what I normally use.

So if I have to do some MS-based login or such, it doesn't bother me. I'll boot into Windows, launch Starfield, play etc.

Makes me feel a little safer knowing that's all it's used for. That's good enough for me.

 

[Morbad]

What? i5-10600k as recomended? Are they out of their mind? How poorly optimized is this game going to be, if it needs 6 core with almost 5GHz CPU to run it on Recommended settings.
And 6800XT too? Have they lost their minds?

The recommended specs aren't as worrying as the minimums, IMO.

Also why would they pair 6800 XT with 2080 RTX? They are miles apart in performance.

The 5700 XT and 1070 Ti are also rather strange, as the 5700XT is closer to a 1080 Ti in performance.

Game could heavily favor NVIDIA, or maybe the recommended specs were written up to account for possible hardware ray tracing (no idea if this is going to make it into the game)...both the 6800 XT and RTX 2080 have what I'd consider to be token levels of DXR performance.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

Confimed, no ground vehicles in starfield.

For those that consider that important, set your expectations (to put it aside).

Starfield Doesn't Have Land Vehicles or Fishing, Todd Howard Confirms

In a new interview, Bethesda Game Studios Director Todd Howard that Starfield won't have land vehicles or fishing at launch.

wccftech.com

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

What? i5-10600k as recomended? Are they out of their mind? How poorly optimized is this game going to be, if it needs 6 core with almost 5GHz CPU to run it on Recommended settings.
And 6800XT too? Have they lost their minds?
Also why would they pair 6800 XT with 2080 RTX? They are miles apart in performance.

I wouldn't be too worried just yet. Kids these days have to buy 4k monitors.. so they're probably factoring that in. Can you even buy 1080p still? For cpu, there's usually some quick wins that can help.. things like crowd density that look quite unatural at full can make a huge difference. In cdpr games, the highest crowd desity becomes more of a flocking algorithm demonstration than any representation of a real place.. Anyways given my old cpu i'll report back if its impossibly cpu bottlenecked in some way. If only thunderbolt gpu enclosures werent both expensive and low bandwidth..

 

[Christopher Roberto]

Confimed, no ground vehicles in starfield.

The code probably only supports one horse and they made it the starship.

 

[Star Wanderer]

The recommended specs aren't as worrying as the minimums, IMO.



The 5700 XT and 1070 Ti are also rather strange, as the 5700XT is closer to a 1080 Ti in performance.

Game could heavily favor NVIDIA, or maybe the recommended specs were written up to account for possible hardware ray tracing (no idea if this is going to make it into the game)...both the 6800 XT and RTX 2080 have what I'd consider to be token levels of DXR performance.

Oh wow, they even want 6 Core CPUs for Minimum requirements.
I am guessing Minimum aim is just 30 fps at 1080p. While that's standard for console, certainly won't be acceptable on PC for FPS games.
But 6800 XT is a big shoker. Don't often see such powerful card pops up in Recommended system requirement.

I wouldn't be too worried just yet. Kids these days have to buy 4k monitors.. so they're probably factoring that in. Can you even buy 1080p still? For cpu, there's usually some quick wins that can help.. things like crowd density that look quite unatural at full can make a huge difference. In cdpr games, the highest crowd desity becomes more of a flocking algorithm demonstration than any representation of a real place.. Anyways given my old cpu i'll report back if its impossibly cpu bottlenecked in some way. If only thunderbolt gpu enclosures werent both expensive and low bandwidth..

If they want minimum 6 cores - i doubt you would have a good time on 4 core older CPU. Might not be possible to achieve 30 fps target if it's that CPU depandant.

 

[CMDR Karrde Sun]

If they want minimum 6 cores - i doubt you would have a good time on 4 core older CPU. Might not be possible to achieve 30 fps target if it's that CPU depandant.

Yeah its draw luck. But at least tweaking the settings gives me something to do. I have very modest targets anyway, either 1080p60 or 1440p60. I've gotten great results from disabling windows defender active scans for the cpu.. its elevated a few games from choppy to perfect, makes a difference in odd as well. I'm expecting some sort of challenge.. my cpu is architecturally older but is clocked higher than the minimum required processor and is rock solid stable, so should be fun to try and get it working. I expect to turn down shadows as in my mind sharp shadows are unrealistic so i im already giving way on the start.

Also my gut tells me there's nothing wrong with the game, especially from noticing visual downgrades from demo footage. Given also that the xbox series x is very often worse performing than the ps5 on modern games even with higher specced hardware, im guessing the 30fps cap is a console thing for console reasons only mattering to console players. If the pc version came with the graphics capability of the original demo that would be amazing.. even if they want to be xbox first for all the marketing.

 

[Morbad]

Oh wow, they even want 6 Core CPUs for Minimum requirements.

Not just six cores, six cores with SMT. The minimum GPUs are even more surprising.

I understand the CPU specs being relatively high as consoles actually have relatively capable CPUs, but the GPUs cited for minimums should be competitive with XBox Series X performance, and are much faster than what's in the Series S. I'd expect some increase in raw hardware specs from a port, but for the minumum requirement to be 2-2.5x the performance for the PC version vs the low end console version is much more drastic an uplift than for the CPU side of things.

Recommended requirements, without more details, are also a much more ambiguous performance target. For minimum you can usually figure 30+ fps at some permutation of settings that doesn't look like total crap. Recommended could target almost anything.

Can you even buy 1080p still?

1080p is probably the most common resolution for new displays, and while many are budget oriented, there is also still a premium 1080p market in the form of competitive gaming where shaving every millisecond off end-to-end latency and maximizing motion clarity can have tangible results.

 

[Leadfoot]

Confimed, no ground vehicles in starfield.

For those that consider that important, set your expectations (to put it aside).

Starfield Doesn't Have Land Vehicles or Fishing, Todd Howard Confirms

In a new interview, Bethesda Game Studios Director Todd Howard that Starfield won't have land vehicles or fishing at launch.

wccftech.com

As I understand it, most exploration outside your ship will be done on foot. You will have a limitation on the amount of distance you can get from your craft, and as in Skyrim, you will be able to fast travel back to your ship's location so you won't have to worry about dismissing and recalling the ship.

I didn't know about fishing, but yeah that would be nice to have added on later.

 

[Mole HD]

I found the PC hardware recommendations surprisingly and perhaps generously on the low side...given the specs quoted for minimum and recommended levels were at best, lower to mid tier perhaps two or three years ago

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

As I understand it, most exploration outside your ship will be done on foot. You will have a limitation on the amount of distance you can get from your craft, and as in Skyrim, you will be able to fast travel back to your ship's location so you won't have to worry about dismissing and recalling the ship.

I didn't know about fishing, but yeah that would be nice to have added on later.

Was that somewhere explained like this? I haven't heard of any range limits around landing zone.

 

[Leadfoot]

Was that somewhere explained like this? I haven't heard of any range limits around landing zone.

It wasn't explained here, it was explained in one of the YouTube videos I'm not sure if it was obsidian and or if it was the burr pit - one of them said so.

 

[Mole HD]

Was that somewhere explained like this? I haven't heard of any range limits around landing zone.

It was hinted at during the showcase when mentioning the proc gen created 16 x 16km square tile generated around the player's landing zone.

 

[Garix]

What is it with some RPG fans and their fascination of "fishing"?

It baffles me.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

What is it with some RPG fans and their fascination of "fishing"?

It baffles me.

What's wrong with catching a fish and eating it? Far less bloody and less messy than taking out deer or boar. You get a good meal of it and it's also less work.

gollum