These two statements are contradictory. If you preclude that there an infinite number of theoretical DLC packs then that by definition means there are an infinite number of theoretical slots, therefore there is infinite potential that any animal might possibly be included, which makes the term "waste" completely meaningless.
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You can call it that but it's not. It diverged from domestic dogs 8-12,000 years ago.
Just gonna give my straight reasoning for why I don't want something like the Eurasian Brown bear.
It just wouldn't change the game at all. I don't wanna pay extra for something I already have in the base game. If your picky enough to notice every minute difference between grizzly bears and Eurasian bears then I think your caring ro much about something that dosent matter.
I'd prefer something like a Wolverine because we don't already have a species of Wolverine, because there is only 1 species of Wolverine. Simple as that.
It just wouldn't change the game at all. I don't wanna pay extra for something I already have in the base game. If your picky enough to notice every minute difference between grizzly bears and Eurasian bears then I think your caring ro much about something that dosent matter.
I'd prefer something like a Wolverine because we don't already have a species of Wolverine, because there is only 1 species of Wolverine. Simple as that.
You are contradicting yourself. You start by stating that a certain species can't be a substitute and basically that people shouldn't play that way (pretending the HBB is a EBB, for example).
Then you conclude that it's fine to say that you don't need a certain animal in game since there's already a substitute you can use?
If we get a Polar Animal Pack, this is what I would go for:
- Southern Elephant Seal.
- Orca.
- Muskox.
- Eurasian Brown Bear.
- Chinstrap Penguin.
- Weddell Seal.
- Beluga Whale.
- Colossal Squid
- Snowy Owl [WE].
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That isn't what I said.
I feel called out here
Ill try and make my point clearer.
The statements don't contradict each other as there can be theoretically infinite dlcs whilst each dlc has a lmitied number of animals in it.
The idea of "slots" isnt so much an idea that there is a set number of animals that will be added to the game though some people view it as such. The idea more is more immediate referring to pack size and frequency. Its around 3 months between packs each with between 5 or 8 animals on average these are the slots. when an animal is placed in a pack it essentially sets back any animal that could of fit the pack theme and been in its place by at least 3 month. Even longer if the dlc trend is known such as after the release of the africa pack another african animal not being released till conservation pack after the completion of the continent trend cycle. The concept of slot is essentially refering to priority and a sense of pessimision as each pack added is one closer to the last so animals that are being pushed back are less likely to make it at all so it should be the more unique and versitile ones that are added first.
hopefully this makes more sense but im more than happy to clarify further.
I dont need any special insight into current PZ development to know we aren't getting birds in temperate pack.
Serious talk and prediction.
1. Red Squirrel (headliner animals) - yes, a squirrel. Unlike devil it is popular and well-known species among general audience, which is obviously frontiers main target. It is cute, marketable and will perfectly fit on the left side of DLC art. Worth to mention frontier likes to randomly put plushy version of main animal so squirrel obviously fit.
2. Tasmanian Devil - popular, but not great headliner material. Frontier had chosen camel and sand cat as arid pack representatives over porcupine, which speaks a lot how meta-wishlist differ from frontier marketing decision. This species definitely will be there, just not as main animal. Not big deal overall, most people simply dont care.
3. Wild Boar (based on european ssp.) - ungulate of this pack. Nothing much to say about it. Usual cheap addition in form of another hoofstock species.
4. European Wildcat / ABB / Raccon Dog - obligatory carnivoran. Im sure Frontier will throw at us something from Felis genus again. They wouldnt put so much effort into sand cat, if another member of small cat familly wasnt coming in near future. Can be pallas cat, leopard cat or whatever, one is coming for sure. Member of same genus seems for me atleast more likely. Other options are as much likely and in normal in normal conditions would be chosen over cat for continental diversity, but frontier seemingly doesn't care anymore.
5. Definitely not WE's - so something irellevant. Since frontier for some reason likes to put obscure stuff into exhibits its almost impossible to predict this one. Perhaps something like Praying Mantis or weird reptile such as Chinese Three-Striped Box Turtle.
Scenery: Temperate. Mix of so-called by community usefull pieces from wood such as horizontal wood set mixed with magic forest pieces.
It will overall feature great taxonomical diversity and decent continental coverage, but greatest problem of PZ will remain untouched. 1000 days between 2 monkey species is closer each day in becoming reality lul.
Serious talk and prediction.
1. Red Squirrel (headliner animals) - yes, a squirrel. Unlike devil it is popular and well-known species among general audience, which is obviously frontiers main target. It is cute, marketable and will perfectly fit on the left side of DLC art. Worth to mention frontier likes to randomly put plushy version of main animal so squirrel obviously fit.
2. Tasmanian Devil - popular, but not great headliner material. Frontier had chosen camel and sand cat as arid pack representatives over porcupine, which speaks a lot how meta-wishlist differ from frontier marketing decision. This species definitely will be there, just not as main animal. Not big deal overall, most people simply dont care.
3. Wild Boar (based on european ssp.) - ungulate of this pack. Nothing much to say about it. Usual cheap addition in form of another hoofstock species.
4. European Wildcat / ABB / Raccon Dog - obligatory carnivoran. Im sure Frontier will throw at us something from Felis genus again. They wouldnt put so much effort into sand cat, if another member of small cat familly wasnt coming in near future. Can be pallas cat, leopard cat or whatever, one is coming for sure. Member of same genus seems for me atleast more likely. Other options are as much likely and in normal in normal conditions would be chosen over cat for continental diversity, but frontier seemingly doesn't care anymore.
5. Definitely not WE's - so something irellevant. Since frontier for some reason likes to put obscure stuff into exhibits its almost impossible to predict this one. Perhaps something like Praying Mantis or weird reptile such as Chinese Three-Striped Box Turtle.
Scenery: Temperate. Mix of so-called by community usefull pieces from wood such as horizontal wood set mixed with magic forest pieces.
It will overall feature great taxonomical diversity and decent continental coverage, but greatest problem of PZ will remain untouched. 1000 days between 2 monkey species is closer each day in becoming reality lul.
You're still working within the framework of a hypothetical limitation. So you've basically invented a scenario (getting Species X) and then in order to try and make it feel more important you've set yourself a limitation (Y Slots Remaining). Neither thing actually exists so both the scenario and limitation can be whatever you want them to be.
That's the real reason people keep using the phrase "wasted slot" - you feel it elevates your wants above someone else's. "The animal I want is more unique/common/other arbitrary, usually subjective thing, therefore it's more important, anything else is a waste." There's no such thing as a "wasted slot" because the "slot" you're talking about doesn't exist. It's hypothetical.
Oh here we are discussing the Eurasian brown bear again. As you know I'm totally in favour of it since I consider that their omission in the base game in favour of the hbb was a huge mistake, so I would consider its potential inclusion as a way of fixing that old mistake.
That being said, some people say they would prefer getting a new different looking animal instead of the European bear. I think we all agree in that. A wolverine, or a bird or a monkey would be better than an Eurasian brown bear. But we all know that the game also adds similar animals (what we call reskins or clones) and if we would ever get the bear, it would take one of these slots, it wouldn't come at the expense of a new rigged animal. Maybe it would replace a second cebra or another gazelle or another crocodile (I guess we can also pretend one of the existing crocs or caimans are from Africa).
I wonder what would happen if they added the Eurasian brown bear as an extra animal, so a pack with 5 animals and 1 exhibit instead of just 4 animals. Would people complain about its inclusion then even if it was something extra that didn't take any slot?
And again if we had the Eurasian brown bear but we didn't have the grizzly bear, would people be asking for the grizzly?
Those are just my thoughts, I don't want to convince anyone, just explaining my personal point of view
That being said, some people say they would prefer getting a new different looking animal instead of the European bear. I think we all agree in that. A wolverine, or a bird or a monkey would be better than an Eurasian brown bear. But we all know that the game also adds similar animals (what we call reskins or clones) and if we would ever get the bear, it would take one of these slots, it wouldn't come at the expense of a new rigged animal. Maybe it would replace a second cebra or another gazelle or another crocodile (I guess we can also pretend one of the existing crocs or caimans are from Africa).
I wonder what would happen if they added the Eurasian brown bear as an extra animal, so a pack with 5 animals and 1 exhibit instead of just 4 animals. Would people complain about its inclusion then even if it was something extra that didn't take any slot?
And again if we had the Eurasian brown bear but we didn't have the grizzly bear, would people be asking for the grizzly?
Those are just my thoughts, I don't want to convince anyone, just explaining my personal point of view
Yes. I mean, there are people who think the free anniversary animal is going to be some brand new thing (I don't know if it's still the case but last year people were convincing themselves it was going to be flying birds!). Those same people would absolutely complain that our free, bonus, fifth habitat animal was a 'clone' and not a manatee or something ridiculous.
whether the end of the games comes at the heat death of the universe or tommorrow there has to be an end. Besides that there is definitely some subjectivity in what animals people consider unique but someone saying I want another brown bear and someone saying I want the secretary bird are not the same thing. There is nuance here an animal is a good choice if it does not already have its niche within a zoo already filled such as you wouldn't treat the addition of a seal to the game the same way you would treat the addition of a ground bird or another ungulate, they would have vastly different habitat styles, theming and sizes. Thats why some people view the addition of another brown bear as a wasted slot because the change of a continent would not drastically change the game enough, the habitats wouldn't feel different enough, it wouldn't inspire new section of a zoo because if you zoom out and go to the planning stage it doesnt matter what bear you use they are all the same the non tropical ones anyway.
honestly I was shocked with the deer I didnt think they would do something that only really had representation in a dlc I thought it was going to be the dromedary camel or maybe a butterfly to give base game use to the walkthrough exhibit.
It's not?
Then I honestly don't understand your point.
Do you mean that it's a fair excuse not wanting an animal cause there's a substitute, eventough you don't agree with the excuse?
If yes, I guess that applies for all animals for consistency?
If this is your standpoint, then why are you arguing with people who prefer other animals over the EBB when their excuse is that the HBB works as a substitute?
Honestly? I think the himalayan is a better inclusion for the base game than the european would have since it actually looks differnent. Otherwise we would have to animals in the base game that look pretty much identical.
Dont get me wrong i still think the himalayan is a weird and kinda pointless addition, but it makes more sense than the european.
I never understood the idea of last years anniversary animal being a WE animal. Like i heard alot of people therorizing stuff like other bats or even macaws. I mean the twilight pack just came out and then giving away probably its biggest draw for free 2 weeks after is just a horrible idea from a business standpoint.
Its like giving away the sea lion 2 weeks after the aquatic pack. It was never gonna happen
This year tho i cant kinda see it happening. Although i still think its super unlikely
I'm not doing any of that? If you want to engage in the discussion, then maybe read it and catch up.
My objection is to the notion of this mythical "wasted slot" people keep bringing up.
It was because the Walkthrough Exhibit facility itself was added to the base game. For whatever reason a few people, despite being told otherwise by several others over and over again, believed this meant they would add a Walkthrough Exhibit-compatible species to the base game as well. We all know or should know by now that Frontier doesn't work that way, though (the underwater plant feeder being the best example of this happening once before already).
As above, there was never any reason to think they would add a free animal for the Walkthrough Exhibit. Plenty of content exists in the base game that can only be used by DLC animals already, so I never understood why people were so adamant that the Walkthrough Exhibit would be the exception. As for the red deer, I'm still convinced it was an outlier and our next anniversary animal will be another reskin/remodel of a base game animal.
This was your reply to Mayki(?) when she asked if people didn't use the HBB as a substitute for EBB. For me this statement is pretty clear, you are basicallt writing that it's wrong to use it as a substitute and that people shouldn't do that. Hence the contradiction in stating that you think it's a fine excuse to not wanting certain animals since there's substitutes.
Read the quote of what you wrote above and catch up on how you yourself are engaging in the discussion.