Fall DLC 2023 Speculation

[Marvinb]

Yeah, Squirrels would be pretty funky with the climbing system, and they‘d be too shy to be WE, wouldn‘t they?

Hedgehogs could work I think, we‘ve got other small animals like the meerkat or prairie dog. And, while I don‘t know about the more "hardcore" playerbase on these forums, they‘re probably in the same category as Raccoons, "cutesy temperate animals really popular with casuals". Honestly, thinking about it, it would‘ve been a really cool pick for the Twilight pack, but alas…

Yeah but with prairie dogs and meerkats you always have a bunch of them. Hedgehogs and squirrels are mostly solitary, so you would only have a pair or small group. That the main difference imo. PZ really isnt geared toward super small enclosures and small animals. For the prairie dogs and meerkats it works because youll always have many of them so you naturally need a bigger enclosure.
But know imagine how big a realistic enclosure for like 3 hedgehogs should be. Place a habitat gate, water bowl and the space is basicly filled

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

With four species of deer; its badger and lynx; a large AND small canid; a couple bears (kind of) and a caprine I would say the most complete continent is Europe. However, even this continent could use more animals (probably representative of what the game needs as a whole) e.g. waterfowl, a non-tropical pig, lagomorph, hedgehog.
The rest of them need a lot.

Lmao wow we got a big AND small carnid?
A couple of european bears whatever that means?
A little over 10 animals?
Nah sure NA really needs that ABB and us way less complete with its over 10 more animals and 3 full packs to itself.
Wonderfull argumentation, how could i ever have thought that a region that doesnt even have all of its most basic animals isnt the most complete?
Silly me

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Yeah but with prairie dogs and meerkats you always have a bunch of them. Hedgehogs and squirrels are mostly solitary, so you would only have a pair or small group. That the main difference imo. PZ really isnt geared toward super small enclosures and small animals. For the prairie dogs and meerkats it works because youll always have many of them so you naturally need a bigger enclosure.
But know imagine how big a realistic enclosure for like 3 hedgehogs should be. Place a habitat gate, water bowl and the space is basicly filled

I dont get this one. Squirrel habitats in zoos are most often the size of a decent aviary with larger groups like 5-20.
They would be most compareable to tamarins in any case

 

[synthetase]

Lmao wow we got a big AND small carnid?
A couple of european bears whatever that means?
A little over 10 animals?
Nah sure NA really needs that ABB and us way less complete with its over 10 more animals and 3 full packs to itself.
Wonderfull argumentation, how could i ever have thought that a region that doesnt even have all of its most basic animals isnt the most complete?
Silly me

I was just saying my opinion, which apparently isn't valid. and...
...I even said that it could use more animals! My whole point was that the game is not complete for any continent yet in my (apparently worthless) opinion Europe is the closest to done.

 

[Captain Callum]

imagine how big a realistic enclosure for like 3 hedgehogs should be. Place a habitat gate, water bowl and the space is basicly filled

Well probably no bigger than the current small armadillo habitats.

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

I was just saying my opinion, which apparently isn't valid. and...
...I even said that it could use more animals! My whole point was that the game is not complete for any continent yet in my (apparently worthless) opinion Europe is the closest to done.

Yes your entitleled to your opinion but what is that argumentation? 4 deers, a couple of bears that do not exist and 4 more animals is if anything only an argument why europe needs more animals

 

[synthetase]

I'm not the best at debate... I guess what I was trying to say North America only has two deer compared to Europe's four. North America doesn't have a badger or small cat. Africa only has large canids. Asia doesn't have a caprine. I think relative to its biodiversity, Europe is well represented. but I admit I don't know what animals live in Europe let alone what European animals are common in zoos.
Part of my thinking Europe is done could be from my North American point of view. To me, Europe is similar to North America (they both fall under holarctic). and since I'm from North America, of course I want more North American animals. So I guess my opinion is flawed.

 

[jcp011c]

Not really. I think I've pretty consistently said that ABB and a temperate bird or two (I'm flexible on which) are the only things I desperately need for the temperate zone. The bighorn sheep is borderline essential to me personally, but definitely not as critical as some things from other continents.
The arctic (all of these aren't just found in NA) needs a wolverine, musk ox, sea otter, and walrus. I don't personally need the last one, and the wolverine is the only critically needed one in

yeah, although somewhat different animals for me, I've also very much kept to the same "goalpost" when it comes to North America. The Wolverine has been extremely high in my list for at least two years and closer to three years honestly. The American Black Bear has been more of a slow climb but I knew it was one animal I'd definitely want, especially when talking about unlimited slots. ABB has been in my top 15 mammal wants ever since I did a sublist for just mammals.

Those are really the only two NA mammals I feel are pretty necessary. While things like the Coyote, Bighorn Sheep, NA Porcupine, NA River Otter and Rocky Mountain goat are in my larger wishlist they are by no means animals i consider necessary or even something I'd get really excited about getting. Sure they'd be nice, but other than the Bighorn Sheep I've not modified my pack ideas to include them. And even then, the Bighorn Sheep just took up another slot in a Highlands or Plains pack, it wasn't something I built the entire pack around.

My goalposts are pretty clear and defined at this point, especially for North America.


ETA @sf2rock your post at the top of this page sums up the overall needs of the game quite well, at least IMO. Asia is the only one I'd change up, since for me I consider just a Cobra and a couple Antelopes as what's needed. Otherwise I think that list is pretty accurate, again just from my own opinion.

 

[Britches]

If we ever get flying birds, Europe should really get the Eurasian Bittern. That guys voice is too haunting to not be included! /opinion

 

[Pentoleaf]

So, for something completely different before this becomes unbearable... most wanted (habitat) birds from each continent?

Africa - Grey crowned crane (helmeted guinaefowl came in very close second)
Asia - Silver pheasant
Europe - Mute swan
Oceania - Kiwi
South America - Muscovy duck (ideally with both wild and domestic variants)
North America - Turkey

 

[Antimony96]

I'm willing to bet the moment we get the ABB the americans on the forum are going to move the goalposts again and declare the coyote or whatever "the only animal left to complete north america".


Edit: for clarification this happenns with almost every region on the forums, not just the US

I want the black bear and have zero interest in the coyote.

The other NA carnivore I would take, and one that's extremely common in North American zoos, is the river otter, but I wouldn't force it on the rest of the playerbase.

 

[jcp011c]

So, for something completely different before this becomes unbearable... most wanted (habitat) birds from each continent?

Africa - Grey crowned crane (helmeted guinaefowl came in very close second)
Asia - Silver pheasant
Europe - Mute swan
Oceania - Kiwi
South America - Muscovy duck (ideally with both wild and domestic variants)
North America - Turkey

Africa - Shoebill
Asia - I'm honestly not very sure I have a habitat-type bird here at all.
Europe- Mute Swan
Oceania - Kiwi
South America - Scarlet Ibis
North America - Roseate Spoonbill

 

[Captain Callum]

I'm not the best at debate... I guess what I was trying to say North America only has two deer compared to Europe's four. North America doesn't have a badger or small cat. Africa only has large canids. Asia doesn't have a caprine. I think relative to its biodiversity, Europe is well represented. but I admit I don't know what animals live in Europe let alone what European animals are common in zoos.
Part of my thinking Europe is done could be from my North American point of view. To me, Europe is similar to North America (they both fall under holarctic). and since I'm from North America, of course I want more North American animals. So I guess my opinion is flawed.

I'm thinking this just comes down to personal bias, we have a North American wanting more local animals thinking Europe is done while a European is stating the opposite. Its like if I say Australia is done, some Australian will come around and push back that statement because x y z animals are not in the game to correctly represent such biome.

As a european who builds North American zoos, both continents are 'fine' to put it in general terms. Both represent the general biodiversity well enough but lack key species to complete a dedicated zone within a zoo.

 

[Antimony96]

So, for something completely different before this becomes unbearable... most wanted (habitat) birds from each continent?

Africa - Grey crowned crane (helmeted guinaefowl came in very close second)
Asia - Silver pheasant
Europe - Mute swan
Oceania - Kiwi
South America - Muscovy duck (ideally with both wild and domestic variants)
North America - Turkey

Africa - Grey crowned crane
Asia - Golden pheasant
Europe - Great white pelican
Oceania - Black swan
South America - Southern screamer
North America - Wood duck

 

[CharlieXGaming]

So, for something completely different before this becomes unbearable... most wanted (habitat) birds from each continent?

Africa - Grey crowned crane (helmeted guinaefowl came in very close second)
Asia - Silver pheasant
Europe - Mute swan
Oceania - Kiwi
South America - Muscovy duck (ideally with both wild and domestic variants)
North America - Turkey

Africa - Secretary Bird (Shoebill and GCC very close)
Asia - Golden Pheasant
Europe - Pelican
Oceania - North Island Brown Kiwi
South America - Scarlet Ibis
North America - Canadian Goose (Although I really don’t think we need any birds from NA)

 

[Captain Callum]

So, for something completely different before this becomes unbearable... most wanted (habitat) birds from each continent?

Africa - Grey crowned crane (helmeted guinaefowl came in very close second)
Asia - Silver pheasant
Europe - Mute swan
Oceania - Kiwi
South America - Muscovy duck (ideally with both wild and domestic variants)
North America - Turkey

Africa - Grey Crowned Crane
Asia - Mandarin Duck
Europe - Mute Swan
Oceania - Kiwi
South America - Roseate Spoonbill
North America - Brown Pelican

 

[Chuditch]

Its like if I say Australia is done, some Australian will come around and push back that statement because x y z animals are not in the game to correctly represent such biome.

So, for something completely different before this becomes unbearable... most wanted (habitat) birds from each continent?

Africa - Helmeted Guineafowl
Asia - Golden Pheasant
Europe - Mute Swan
Oceania - Little Penguin
South America - Red-legged Seriema
North America - Canada Goose

 

[jcp011c]

I'm thinking this just comes down to personal bias, we have a North American wanting more local animals thinking Europe is done while a European is stating the opposite. Its like if I say Australia is done, some Australian will come around and push back that statement because x y z animals are not in the game to correctly represent such biome.

As a european who builds North American zoos, both continents are 'fine' to put it in general terms. Both represent the general biodiversity well enough but lack key species to complete a dedicated zone within a zoo.

The one thing I'm getting out of these "what area needs more the most" is that almost everyone agrees that South America is the continent most in need of additional animals. I mean, if someone doesn't agree with that, it's fine, their opinion is valid of course.

 

[Orkan]

The one thing I'm getting out of these "what area needs more the most" is that almost everyone agrees that South America is the continent most in need of additional animals. I mean, if someone doesn't agree with that, it's fine, their opinion is valid of course.

South America is literally the most biodiverse area in the world. I think we definitely need some more representation from there, especially considering how many species are common in zoos that come from there that we still don’t have. E.g. tamarins, spider monkeys, howlers, rheas, ocelots, and macaws just to name a few.

 

[Marvinb]

So, for something completely different before this becomes unbearable... most wanted (habitat) birds from each continent?

Africa - Grey crowned crane (helmeted guinaefowl came in very close second)
Asia - Silver pheasant
Europe - Mute swan
Oceania - Kiwi
South America - Muscovy duck (ideally with both wild and domestic variants)
North America - Turkey

Africa - Secretary
Asia - Golden pheasant
Europe - Mallard
Oceania - Pelican
SA - Occellated turkey
NA - Roadrunner

Really hard to settle on just one, since i have a handfull wants for each continent