Thargoid vessels and Titans have different markings which at the very least correlate to their types. We have similar data, stating our rank and faction and name. Doesn't really say human... mainly because we really don't care that any other species knows we are human.... Do we really believe the center of Thargoid logograms just say Thargoid? Or their version of Thargoid?
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Reads to me that's very far from carte-blanche acceptance of everything.
Barnacles have one style of logogram, interceptors have another, as do Titans. That doesn't suggest they belong to different factions at all, they're just completely different types of objects - not "this object belongs to X". They are bio-organic constructs, for all we know they just grow like that rather than being physically marked at some point (the marks on the interceptors show signs of deterioration/age, wouldn't they simply "repaint" them if they were important in any way...)
We are also able to put whatever markings we like on our ships. Does that have any relevance? No... Just like the thargoid logograms provide zero evidence for there being separate "tribes".
If anything it indicates the opposite, because there has never been any clear-cut distinction between them.
I mean... your commander certainly act surprised as if he was oblivious to the whole concept of there being another Thargoid faction when there is suddenly another Thargoid faction in another 5 years. I'm going to assume my commander is friends Moira Dolan and is in the know.
I find it funny when there is specific official word that says it's canon... then folks are like... "but it's not in game, my commander can't interact with it ... it's not real! Only in game lore is real." Then there is in game events or locations that support a story from the books, and then it's like... "... that's old it hasn't been updated."
Literally the easiest code to fix... straight up text. If it wasn't real they would have changed it by now. It's canon until it changes.
I find it funny when there is specific official word that says it's canon... then folks are like... "but it's not in game, my commander can't interact with it ... it's not real! Only in game lore is real." Then there is in game events or locations that support a story from the books, and then it's like... "... that's old it hasn't been updated."
Literally the easiest code to fix... straight up text. If it wasn't real they would have changed it by now. It's canon until it changes.
By that standard, The Dark Wheel makes it clear that Oresrians are a separate species to Thargoids. The xeno scanner in-game positively identifies the ships we encounter as "Thargoid". Therefore canonically, Oresrians have not been encountered in the game at all.
Old lore 
"It's canon until it changes" except when it conflicts with your opinion.
"It's canon until it changes" except when it conflicts with your opinion.
This is the opposite of what we are explained in Premonition:
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"
Society chuckled. ‘Putting two and two together now, I see. Yes, we have
two distinct dynasties of the Thargoids. One known as the Oresrians, the
other as the Klaxians. Unfortunately, both are heading in the direction of
the core worlds. A conflict is already taking place, a civil war between their
kinds. The Oresrians appear to be losing, falling back. From their perspective,
they’re retreating, using our worlds as mere cover in their bid to escape their
foes.’
‘These … Oresrians are what we’ve been seeing? The reports …’
‘Yes,’ Exo said. ‘They intend to carve a path through our civilisation and
leave us cast down on either side. What was once called a “bullet-shield” in
military parlance, I believe. They only mean to escape. Humanity will merely
serve as a convenient way to delay their pursuers.’
"
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These are of course the opinions and believes of individual characters in the book. Premonition was written well after the so called 'Retcon'.
No player has ever seen a Klaxian Thargiod. They aren't in the game.
As long as they aren't in the game, FD have all option open. They can add Klaxians or they can leave out, without any need for an explanation or retcon.
the way I see Elite being:
Federation - Red
Empire - Blue
Alliance - Green
******** - Red
Guardians - Blue
Thargoids - Green
Who then is the red? Klaxians? Guardian AI? FDev love their 6s and 8s
Did the Guardians really beat the Thargoids? Was it their AI? or did the Thargoids gain control of their AI? as much as it looks like the guardians having cool tech it seems to me the Thargoids have the better hand and now with their human captivity pods and instances all over the place I believe Ram Tah either got it wrong or hes not giving us the full shilling, he has given us so much in such a short time into the Guardian lore to now go quite for to long.
We apparently beat the Thargoids once, We also where lead to believe they didn't exist at all, what is Raxxla? I think its closer than we are lead to believe and is the real reason everything seems to be in such close proximity and the logo fitting the Thargoid color scheme and the back of our own stations.
Il go back into my corner
Federation - Red
Empire - Blue
Alliance - Green
******** - Red
Guardians - Blue
Thargoids - Green
Who then is the red? Klaxians? Guardian AI? FDev love their 6s and 8s
Did the Guardians really beat the Thargoids? Was it their AI? or did the Thargoids gain control of their AI? as much as it looks like the guardians having cool tech it seems to me the Thargoids have the better hand and now with their human captivity pods and instances all over the place I believe Ram Tah either got it wrong or hes not giving us the full shilling, he has given us so much in such a short time into the Guardian lore to now go quite for to long.
We apparently beat the Thargoids once, We also where lead to believe they didn't exist at all, what is Raxxla? I think its closer than we are lead to believe and is the real reason everything seems to be in such close proximity and the logo fitting the Thargoid color scheme and the back of our own stations.
Il go back into my corner
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If Klaxians and Oresrians are two dynasties/factions of Thargoids then how would we recognise if we encountered one or the other? The ship scanner just says “thargoid” with no amplification. The different behaviour when some rapidly attack humans whereas others seem to ignore or investigate (or possibly attempt to communicate with) human ships might be evidence of different factions, or it may not. It might be a hangover of early game thargoid behaviour being generated at random locations by the game software with no FDev design intention...or not.
Since we still have no means of communication with thargoids (despite IIRC ED research starting ages ago -what is the xenocommunication reseach base out at Colonia doing?), and I’m very surprised INRA never tried to communicate with them....
It’s just another reason why I find this game both beautiful and incredibly frustrating
INRA made a translator that was part of the FFE story. Not sure If that part is still valid in ED.
Cant be as I definitely remember in an old galnet a research institute being set up to explore communications ...
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The general appearance of Sensors, Probes and Links is a bit incongruent with the rest of Thargoid stuff, though they have the characteristic caustic effects and clear tie-ins to Thargoids.
Equally, their use of Morse and Octal, as human encodings, is somewhat odd (and also, at least according to MB back in the day, deliberate)
I found Thargoid probe in stellar neighborhood of popular tourist spot "Dryau Awesomes" https://www.edsm.net/en/system/id/163217/name/Dryau+Ausms+KG-Y+e3390
The probe was revealed after surface scan, non scoopable object as a whole yet there were some scoopable sensor fragments. It was my first find of such nature and especially here in very distant space where no one would expect any presence of Thargoids. Here is location if anyone would like to revisit and wander around for some clues...
The probe was revealed after surface scan, non scoopable object as a whole yet there were some scoopable sensor fragments. It was my first find of such nature and especially here in very distant space where no one would expect any presence of Thargoids. Here is location if anyone would like to revisit and wander around for some clues...
I found Thargoid probe in stellar neighborhood of popular tourist spot "Dryau Awesomes" https://www.edsm.net/en/system/id/163217/name/Dryau+Ausms+KG-Y+e3390
The probe was revealed after surface scan, non scoopable object as a whole yet there were some scoopable sensor fragments. It was my first find of such nature and especially here in very distant space where no one would expect any presence of Thargoids. Here is location if anyone would like to revisit and wander around for some clues...
They're all over the galaxy, expected everywhere.