FRONTIER: ELITE 2 (30th Anniversary) OCTOBER 2023

Northpin

Northpin
MINDWIPE said:
IF FE2 isnt Cannon (wich it is btw)..BUT... if they dont class any element of FE2 or FFE... then Frontier should completely KILL Colonia's bubbleoff and especially Jaques Station, and the whole concept of the Federation and the Empire (wich were first introduced into FE2), but your right they ignore the sequels
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Nope, i dont think any of the older Elite games are cannon for the ED universe, and i think i've seen it written by a CM - they've rewrote (some if not most of) the history for ED.
Basically, for ED lore you need to check only the articles and the stories that are related to ED - so published novels related to ED and Galnet news and articles.

Travel is different in ED, timeline has differences, there are no (space) aliens - like in alien civilizations engaged in trading with humans, except the some of the atrocities against native lifeforms during the colonization process. There are no friendly Thargoids.

Basically for ED they retconned most of the timeline, and i repeat, i remember them saying that events in previous versions of Elite are not cannon in ED.
 

MINDWIPE

MINDWIPE
Northpin said:
Nope, i dont think any of the older Elite games are cannon for the ED universe, and i think i've seen it written by a CM - they've rewrote (some if not most of) the history for ED.
Basically, for ED lore you need to check only the articles and the stories that are related to ED - so published novels related to ED and Galnet news and articles.

Travel is different in ED, timeline has differences, there are no (space) aliens - like in alien civilizations engaged in trading with humans, except the some of the atrocities against native lifeforms during the colonization process. There are no friendly Thargoids.

Basically for ED they retconned most of the timeline, and i repeat, i remember them saying that events in previous versions of Elite are not cannon in ED.
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SERIOUSLY! travel in ED is exactly like original and Frontier (in fact it was insisted on by the backers and thats why supercruise exists, as the originaly were not going to include it), the idea that you arrive at the star and make your way to settlment or starport is a core element of Elite and always has been and was insulting back in alpha to the backers and long term players of the franchise.. so i humbly disagree the space emelent is EXACTLY as ELITE and FE2...

and as for retconning yeah the history of the thargoids yes and i have no argument over that and as new narrative goes i have no complaint on that (its actually the only new stuff in ED i like.... but the history of the federation and Empire are from FE2 as well as the history of Jaques taken directly from the Story book.. and they need to honour that aspect that they cannot retcon it as its already apart of the "LORE" i really hate that term but its a fact.. original ED didnt have Federation or Empire.. nor Jaques Station (infact i commend the original team for devising Jaques as a new bubble after the incident with his stations Wichspace drive failure in 3301.. great narrative and set up what we now know as Colonia)... ALL of this stemmed from Frontier :Elite 2 and the Dave Massey novel that came with it.

as for Official Elite and ED storys.. The Dark Wheel, Reclomation, Storys of Life on the Frontier (from FE2), Tales From the Frontier and Mostly Harmless as well as many others are official stories and the true LORE... (but thats NOT what my orignianal post was about)
 
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MINDWIPE

MINDWIPE
look folks this is getting toxic.. theres alot of history from Elite and Frontier: Elite 2.. my basic point was to ask "please honour Elite 2 as you did for the 30th of the first game" as both games despite new elements and back story retconning some of them as NEW elements for ED aside, aka thargoids (as they never occured in Elite 2) ... the 2 core games that brought most of us to ELITE DANGEROUS should be honoured this year, and i hope Frontier do just that (and they know how) :) ... (Wow you folks make something so simple to grasp hard here on this forum now "8 years ago this wouldn't have even been a sluggfest of a debate")
 
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Manfred Belheim

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MINDWIPE said:
SERIOUSLY! travel in ED is exactly like original and Frontier (in fact it was insisted on by the backers and thats why supercruise exists, as the originaly were not going to include it), the idea that you arrive at the star and make your way to settlment or starport is a core element of Elite and always has been and was insulting back in alpha to the backers and long term players of the franchise.. so i humbly disagree the space emelent is EXACTLY as ELITE and FE2...
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This is an odd take given that the space element was radically different between the original Elite and Frontier themselves.
 

gunbladelad

gunbladelad
Without going into the semantics about lore and canon, I'd simply like an official release of the Frontier Games pre-configured to run flawlessly on modern formats - whether PC or console.
 

nemolomen

nemolomen
Northpin said:
Not to mention that FSD is an Elite Dangerous invention - hence me saying the travel is different 🤷‍♂️
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Yes, and FE2 had time compression as you flew from system entry at the outer edge of the system towards your destination, usually, in the inner system...AND one had to know how long that was going to take BEFORE one took the mission or one would invariably end up late...
 

MINDWIPE

MINDWIPE
On this Day.. 30 YEARS AGO... a Sequel was released for MS DOS.. AMIGA and ATARI ST... to the legendary game ELITE... it inspired may a similar game genre and its eventual follow on #ELITEDANGEROUS wich after many a crowd funded elemt has be come a really popular game.. this video is a tribute to Elite 2 with the music composed by David Lowe for the game and performed by the Chamber Orchestra of London (i as a fan of the series of games honour that legacy today here (since its only where they will let me post it) ;)
Source: https://youtu.be/7mF_5hlZb_Y?si=slHASLx8jWDguGo3
 
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