Elite Dangerous developer Frontier sanctions hiring freeze, spending cuts, and layoffs

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It makes it seem as if Frontier is the only one doing it. And all of the talk in this thread until I posted was pretty much exactly that: acting as though something was up at Frontier when the fact is it's the entire tech industry that is changing, and not for the better if you're a tech employee.

A more fair and disclosing headline would have been: FRONTIER JOINS RANKS OF TECH COMPANIES LAYING OFF WORKERS.
Seems fair to me, as its simply a copy of the gaming industry article immediately linked in the OP.

But I do see your point.
 
unrelated to the post just wanted to post this since another thread got locked heres no mans sky and elite twitch views ..
elite is fine

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I just read the article, and it also makes clear that the entire gaming industry is suffering at this time. I think it does a good job at focusing on the facts, which are mostly quotes from Frontier itself.

I have some thoughts about this (gaming in general), but I'm going to let those thoughts cook for a little longer before pulling them out of the oven.
There's a lot of layoffs in the tech sector, LinkedIn, Accenture etc.. Lean times equals lean staffing requirements unfortunately. I will also concur with the later point about AI being a large reason for it as well.
 
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I've not bought neither F1 game, but I happened to read in their forums that they wouldn't support the first one anymore in order to focus their development of the second one. Maybe they succeeded, but it's not a motive to support a company that abandons their projects soon after release.

I got rather annoyed when JWE suddenly was swept under the carpet and JWE2 appeared.
 
unrelated to the post just wanted to post this since another thread got locked heres no mans sky and elite twitch views ..
elite is fine

Depending on when you took those shots. In reality I think the fact that NMS has twice the number of followers means more than the fact that when you captured the images Elite had just over 3 times the viewers of NMS. The situation as I write this is (so less than 3 times the viewers currently):

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So maybe not as great as you think, considering this is currently the new update Thargoid-thingie interest wave and the new Elite drops campaign.
 
Yep, although Elite seems more popular in twitch at the moment, that’s probably due to update 17, it switches over when NMS has an update too.

If you compare the two via steam charts is a completely different story, with far more players on NMS ( although not all elite players play through steam and steam is the only platform where NMS has multi#player).

For an almost 9 year old game (10 if you include the alpha period), ED is still doing incredibly well. I just hope that frontier realises that and there are plenty more opportunities for them to make revenue to keep it going. Odyssey, as it stands now, does not deserve the negative rating it has on steam, but it took NMS over five years to recover from that disaster of a launch, so elite has a bit to go before the ‘Odyssey launch’ is forgiven.

Still, this doesn’t help the fact that good people are going to lose their jobs, so I feel people need to be a bit more sensitive than usual on his topic.
 
Regardless of anything else, I hope all those forced to take non voluntary redundancies get back on the horse quickly and find work.

and fingers crossed any voluntary redundancies are really good offers allowing the people leaving to do so fairly happily.

the sword of Damocles is over me... i have 2 years to go before i am booted out, so i have sympathy for anyone facing a job loss.
 
As someone who's been laid off before, I can sympathize with the affected folks. Just remember that it's the company that's struggling, not you. It's most likely not your fault you were let go. A doorway out of one room is a doorway into another. That worked for me when I felt personally slighted due to the unexpected layoff. A month later I was in a much better role, more money and that was 15 years ago. Still here.
 
This is sad news indeed, sadly though its very common place in this and many other industries.
It certainly doesn't mean anything bad for the game, which continues to be one of there more popular titles.
I feel for anyone at the company in uncertain times.
 
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I am only going to post this once.

Having been made redundant myself earlier this year, this is going to be a very difficult time for some of the people at FDEV. Many of them will undoubtedly read this thread.

Please be senstive about what you post and your choice of words.
Same here, the consultation process I went through was horrific, and my particular industry is pretty much in tatters.

I feel for all involved at this difficult time, stay strong and positive.

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I am only going to post this once.

Having been made redundant myself earlier this year, this is going to be a very difficult time for some of the people at FDEV. Many of them will undoubtedly read this thread.

Please be senstive about what you post and your choice of words.
Having been laid off myself three years ago, I can imagine the tension, uncertainty, anxiety that it could lead to.
The best option is to stay positive. When I was given the news I was in shock, initially, but after a couple of days of thinking about it, I changed my mind completely, and considered it an opportunity, instead. A redundancy is generally not personal, and does not carry the stigma of a disciplinary dismissal: potential employers normally understand it.
I used my time between jobs after the layoff to learn new skills, engage in new activities (...and discovered ED...).
The positive lookout helped me impress my new employer, when I went to the interview.
I know that everybody's experience is different but, when I look back, I see my period between jobs after the redundancy as one of the best periods in my life.
 
You know why it goes up? Because the market expects cost cuts to have a positive impact on the bottom line - and since you value share on profit / share price that share becomes more attractive to buy.
Yeah, Star Citisn't allegedly has a thousand. Almost unbelievable how little progress they make with so many staff.
I really wouldn't compare SC and ED. The game mechanics alone make the difference or the types of planets there are, the ports and the high number of ships
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the problem with reorgs related to keeping the business from going under is if the people who brought it to that point are still the ones steering the ship thru it.

dropping 90% of your worth is not the industry norm or avg. that kind of performance is generally something that starts at the top for it to have persisted long enough to be this bad.
 
Yep, although Elite seems more popular in twitch at the moment, that’s probably due to update 17, it switches over when NMS has an update too.

Probably more the new set of elite helloween cosmetics you get for watching it.

Free cosmetics (and checking for free cosmetics) is the only reason i use twitch.
 
I'd say the loss of publishing is a major blow and that alone has accounted for a big portion of the new valuation. The market always valuates what a company will be worth not what's it worth now. As such the publishing arm must have carried a lot of the market's expectations regarding revenue and profit.
 
the problem with reorgs related to keeping the business from going under is if the people who brought it to that point are still the ones steering the ship thru it.

dropping 90% of your worth is not the industry norm or avg. that kind of performance is generally something that starts at the top for it to have persisted long enough to be this bad.
In September 2022, the President/Founder role was created, a new CEO and COO stepped in, a new Chairman joined from outside Frontier entirely, and a General Counsel role was created to allow the CFO to focus on CFO things.

So that's a great theory, but given how many exec roles are in this list, it simply doesn't apply to Frontier. They have changed the team at the top already.

And you will notice this run of half-decent content, with bugfixes too, has appeared just after this board shuffle.

Good writeup here
 
And you will notice this run of half-decent content, with bugfixes too, has appeared just after this board shuffle.


Actually i don't notice any of that.

  • PZ and JWE2 seems to be maintaining the flow of PDLC and free updates they got over the years.
  • F1M23, seems to be improved over F1M22, but still the revenues it's producing are under expectations
  • And not at last, ED seen some further apparent budgetary cuts - less interactions from CM team, less streams, less visible activity (which would IMO imply they are stretched with many other activities behind the scenes), while cutting 25% of the cadence of Updates (only 3 this year compared to 4 last year).

I really really hope they nail the Age of Sigmar release and get back into profits
 
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