Reading the arguments here makes me wonder... what makes the manatee so special over other fully aquatic animals? Generally if frontier can manage to make a manatee work out fine, then the floodgates of aquatics opens to make wishlists a little more interesting,
Preparing for the 2024 Habitat Animal Meta Wishlist...
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It depends. I mean some zoos have small aquariums with tanks of tiny fish. Imagine Planet Zoo getting that.
The word count limit makes something like that impossible. It also makes it pretty unmanageable for me.
I think that for this wishlist, no flying birds, fully aquatics, extincts, or mythical creatures should be allowed. This is just because of two reasons. One, it’s supposed to be a realistic real-world game, and yes, even though the keepers carry things around on boxes and such, that‘s really the only unrealistic part. Any other way would be way too complex. And secondly, we don’t have the mechanics for flying birds and fully aquatics.
Because we're using what's already possible in-game.I don’t really see a point in creating a list with all that exclusions. It’s just not realistic
For example, imagine if we allowed the manatee, and then it's added. Imagine how outta place it'd be, being the only fully aquatic. Even if it's a nice animal, I wouldn't wanna use it because it'd feel off.
To counteract that, the community will demand even more fully aquatic species: dolphins, whales, sharks. But it's obvious that support won't last that long to ever feel like that aspect of the game, so it'd just be a big mess.
Honestly, it's better to avoid fully aquatics in the 1st place
I don’t agree. It’s not a meta wishlist anymore with so many restrictions. It’s a wishlist of mostly mammals that won’t reflect the true wishes of the community. We have never had a list that had no restrictions and for me that’s how it’s suppose to be. Animals that you want no matter if they fly, swim or walk.
What is the purpose @SuzieSky of this new meta wishlist? Maybe I don’t understand the basis?
That's how the original meta-wishlist was like. The only problems with these wishlists was that we used the same list and never updated it.
It didn't adapt to the new needs and desires. We should've had a new one each year. That's why I'm pro 2024 wishlist
Yeah I’m ok with that but I feel that there are many people out there who want macaws or eagles or manatees for the most and this new wishlist would be useless for them if they would not be able to put their wishes out there.
And what is more important Frontier would not see those wishes for flying birds or aquatics and it would look like nobody cares about them.
I don’t feel like it’s a good way to go.
Before we had no idea if gibbon would ever be possible but it was on the list. And now we should get rid of the manatees or macaws because we are not sure if they would be possible. That’s just useless for me. How anyone should know what is desired if we are not allowed to mention it???
And what is more important Frontier would not see those wishes for flying birds or aquatics and it would look like nobody cares about them.
I don’t feel like it’s a good way to go.
Before we had no idea if gibbon would ever be possible but it was on the list. And now we should get rid of the manatees or macaws because we are not sure if they would be possible. That’s just useless for me. How anyone should know what is desired if we are not allowed to mention it???
Well, we did have wishlists for those as well. @yoav_r did the aquatic meta-wishlist, @TheDuckKnight and @Spiderhawk did bird wishlists, and I did the exhibit meta-wishlist with the help of @ReptoMin, while they were still around.
I think having these other wishlists help to organize things better, so that the main wishlist isn't so cluttered; if it's cluttered, things get lost and then nobody learns anything. And this coming from a disorganized person
In this case, brachiation was just a single locomotion mechanic. That was the only thing stopping it.
In the case of macaws, we mostly agree that they'd suit WEs better, so it makes sense to not include them and to vote for those in an aviary and/or exhibit meta-wishlist.
However, in the case of a manatee, it's not simply a locomotion mechanic. It also includes how keepers will interact with them, how habitat gates will work, etc. Habitat gates are fussy because you can't have multiple; the devs said that it's practically impossible. I'm positive that it wouldn't work for water, because you already can't edit the terrain right in front of the gate anyway
And those wishlist were not popular at all because people don’t want 10 different wishlists. They want one for all the animals that they want.
If so then this new wishlist should indicate in its name that it’s only for land mammals, reptiles and ground birds. Because if it’s not it won’t be organized at all and would mislead.
I am really curious if we would led people to vote for whatever species they want and not mostly land mammals maybe we could see macaws beating wolverine. Who knows.
If so then this new wishlist should indicate in its name that it’s only for land mammals, reptiles and ground birds. Because if it’s not it won’t be organized at all and would mislead.
I am really curious if we would led people to vote for whatever species they want and not mostly land mammals maybe we could see macaws beating wolverine. Who knows.
That was exactly my point in the winter speculation thread a while back. Including every animal in a single wishlist will show us how popular the 'most requested' animals really are. But then obviously the workload and layout of one wishlist containing the contents of say 3-5 wishlists would be too much to handle.
Yeah, I see this point. However, if we were to do this, then Suzie can't do it alone, it'd be way too much work.
We could alternatively have a meta-wishlist meta-wishlist:
We take the top 10 of each meta-wishlist and then make a meta-wishlist to show these, to see what's the most popular
Part 1:
Definitely not include fully marine animals - including the Manatee ya'll.
Part 2:
I'd like to say include flying birds but this is about the Habitats, not walkthrough/non walkthrough exhibits. Flight's only been shown in walkthrough exhibits, so as such they shouldn't be included in a habitat list. I also feel that they'd skew the numbers very heavily in terms of what people want - quite a number of players could potential put half or more of their list in as flying birds - myself included.
As such, I think the birds that should be included are birds that would generally work as non-flying in game, even if it's possible for them to fly in real life. The birds that could be included spend enough time on the ground in real life, that them being solely on the ground in game would not appear too odd. The wading and running birds for instance - Herons, Storks, Secretary Bird, Ibises, Roadrunners, Turkeys,
Additionally birds that spend a fair amount of time on the surface of water in real life could be included - Ducks, Swans, even Pelicans.
I think asking for Eagles, Owls, Toucans, Macaws, Cockatoos and similar birds may be unrealistic at this point. And I'm saying that as my ultimate no rules animal I want in the game is the Bald Eagle, and immediately after that comes at least one Macaw and Toucan - all this before the Wolverine which is my most wanted habitat animal at this time. I'm giving up that dream of having exhibit birds, though those could have their own thread again.
Part 3:
How small habitat animals could be - I know this won't be popular but I feel the Tamarin is too small for a habitat, but not by much. anything with a bigger footprint than that could be habitat animals - for reference Meerkats are roughly twice the size and weight of a Tamarin, based on information from Wikipedia (take that with not full assurity since we know wikipedia can be incorrect on things)
Part 4: I think the current setup and grouping is fine as it is, no need to change it.
Definitely not include fully marine animals - including the Manatee ya'll.
Part 2:
I'd like to say include flying birds but this is about the Habitats, not walkthrough/non walkthrough exhibits. Flight's only been shown in walkthrough exhibits, so as such they shouldn't be included in a habitat list. I also feel that they'd skew the numbers very heavily in terms of what people want - quite a number of players could potential put half or more of their list in as flying birds - myself included.
As such, I think the birds that should be included are birds that would generally work as non-flying in game, even if it's possible for them to fly in real life. The birds that could be included spend enough time on the ground in real life, that them being solely on the ground in game would not appear too odd. The wading and running birds for instance - Herons, Storks, Secretary Bird, Ibises, Roadrunners, Turkeys,
Additionally birds that spend a fair amount of time on the surface of water in real life could be included - Ducks, Swans, even Pelicans.
I think asking for Eagles, Owls, Toucans, Macaws, Cockatoos and similar birds may be unrealistic at this point. And I'm saying that as my ultimate no rules animal I want in the game is the Bald Eagle, and immediately after that comes at least one Macaw and Toucan - all this before the Wolverine which is my most wanted habitat animal at this time. I'm giving up that dream of having exhibit birds, though those could have their own thread again.
Part 3:
How small habitat animals could be - I know this won't be popular but I feel the Tamarin is too small for a habitat, but not by much. anything with a bigger footprint than that could be habitat animals - for reference Meerkats are roughly twice the size and weight of a Tamarin, based on information from Wikipedia (take that with not full assurity since we know wikipedia can be incorrect on things)
Part 4: I think the current setup and grouping is fine as it is, no need to change it.
Dear god why is there another argument about the manatee.
I genuinely don’t understand, its captivity presence doesn’t matter at all, it’s a fully aquatic animal just like any other sea turtle dolphin orca etc. It shouldn’t be allowed, case closed.
I genuinely don’t understand, its captivity presence doesn’t matter at all, it’s a fully aquatic animal just like any other sea turtle dolphin orca etc. It shouldn’t be allowed, case closed.
My own take is that flying birds shouldn’t be allowed. Only land birds or birds that can fly irl, but wouldn’t look unnatural if they weren’t able to ingame , pelicans for example.
Macaws, toucans, eagles, owls, sure they could work in a non walkthrough exhibit, but we have no proof that they will do this, so they’re out too.
Macaws, toucans, eagles, owls, sure they could work in a non walkthrough exhibit, but we have no proof that they will do this, so they’re out too.
I still think we should dismiss any WE animals, including things like macaws. We should dismiss fully aquatics. And of course, obviously dismiss fake/extinct species.
I'm planning to make a 2024 Exhibit Meta-Wishlist, but I'd need y'all's feedback, and potentially some help, too, to keep it running, because my schedule is wacky and I won't be able to regular update it
The Manatee -The Hot Take animal of 2024.
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