His logic is like his facts. He says he keeps hitting me with them, but frankly all I feel is the faint whoosh of him missing the point.(Yes, I'm feeling mean)
First stage: Anger.
Second stage: Denial.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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First stage: Anger.
Second stage: Denial.
Don't care about ad's I welcome them,however if they bring in MT I will be gone, even buying credits in game I'll drop this game ,But I won't whinge and cry about it, it's just a game,plenty more out there.
I wonder if the "offline" fraternity will be downloading Gamma.
As for me? Individually. Not so much. But it only needs about fifty to a hundred people to chargeback at the level of funding I put in, give or take, to trip the EMV's "Suspect merchant" limit and FDEV starts having all kinds of entertaining issues with Mastercard and Visa. I've seen the result of being on those lists and trying to conduct your business in a reasonable manner, it's not a smooth or pleasant experience. It won't need a lot of people to start throwing grit in the gears towards one "smaller" merchant to cause the card processors to go "Ohai fraud controls". You need to be a bigger fish than FDEV to get out past that limit, they convert it to a percentage of your yearly revenue after a certain point, but that's for retailers with a solid and steady income already.
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and again i have to ask: why the bashing?
I have now read David's answer concerning the future availability of the server, because this was my major concern and why I have contacted support for a refund.
First, let me say that David really needs to work on the way he is writing. I showed some of his texts from this evening to my co-workers (who don't care about Elite Dangerous) and they said that this was mostly manager speech. Saying sorry without apologizing, spinning everything. The text about the servers is a good example.
Anyway, there are three reasons why I don't think what he wrote makes any difference at all.
First, assuming he really means that in the case when the servers are about to be taken offline they intend to release both the server data AND the code or binaries (we weren't sure if that is what he meant, we came to the conclusion that “probably”), well, he also intended to make the game offline capable.
Well, sorry, my trust in his intentions is gone.
Second, let's assume that he really means to do that, well, it is simply out of his hands. The first likely would be that FD is getting into financial troubles. The usual way to get out of these trouble would be looking for a buyer of the company. If that happens, David would have no say in the decision to make the servers public: It would be the buyer's decision.
Third, FD could go bankrupt. This would also mean that the decision would not be theirs. Of course it could still happen that the code becomes free. It did before, like with Blender. But we can't count on this. We can certainly not count on the employees of FD to make last minute efforts to release the servers, which would mean they would actively rob the trustees of their money in the case of an actual bankruptcy.
All in all, even if he wants, he could never make sure that the game will outlast FD. As such I will not revoke my call for refund.
First, let me say that David really needs to work on the way he is writing. I showed some of his texts from this evening to my co-workers (who don't care about Elite Dangerous) and they said that this was mostly manager speech. Saying sorry without apologizing, spinning everything. The text about the servers is a good example.
Anyway, there are three reasons why I don't think what he wrote makes any difference at all.
First, assuming he really means that in the case when the servers are about to be taken offline they intend to release both the server data AND the code or binaries (we weren't sure if that is what he meant, we came to the conclusion that “probably”), well, he also intended to make the game offline capable.
Well, sorry, my trust in his intentions is gone.
Second, let's assume that he really means to do that, well, it is simply out of his hands. The first likely would be that FD is getting into financial troubles. The usual way to get out of these trouble would be looking for a buyer of the company. If that happens, David would have no say in the decision to make the servers public: It would be the buyer's decision.
Third, FD could go bankrupt. This would also mean that the decision would not be theirs. Of course it could still happen that the code becomes free. It did before, like with Blender. But we can't count on this. We can certainly not count on the employees of FD to make last minute efforts to release the servers, which would mean they would actively rob the trustees of their money in the case of an actual bankruptcy.
All in all, even if he wants, he could never make sure that the game will outlast FD. As such I will not revoke my call for refund.
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Vlodec
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How could you possibly see that as a cast iron guarantee? It's just a bunch of words, and you know how much that's worth, right?
Well, it is.
Except if they did actually go bankrupt. Then it won't be their decision any more but that of the liquidator or similar agent.
It sounds nice, though.
Sir Render
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maybe on 12th and got called a troll by some by praised others, here it is
Ask for your money back?
Speaking for myself, no, I have shouted at the screen when it could not connect with server or arrived at a station with a mission cargo to find no bulletin board. (I could go on)
The facts are-- I paid 3 hours wages to help develop a new game, hopefully that is what I am doing.
1.Am I part of the team?
2.If the game fails am I part of the failure? either for bankrolling the wrong horse or not wording my ticket correctly.
I have already had my moneys worth, anything else is a bonus? If it turns out to be rubbish I will buy Witcher in February or something else.
So those of you who moan, ask for your money back now and leave us alone, far cry is out soon go to Nepal instead.
SR
MT is planned for cosmetics only. See ship skins.
The full game is a reward for buying into the Beta... It's not a pre-order. Betabackers bought the Beta, which they downloaded and played. Therefore, they don't qualify for a refund. That was already the case when I bought in, and I understood it as a reason to not qualify for a refund at that time.
You can verify that in the storepage for the Beta: The full game (mercenary edition) is a goodie entitling one to all the goodies of the Mercenary edition too, and it has the Federation Rep as a bonus over the pre-order.
The small print says in so many words that at the moment the product is made available, the window to cancel the order is closed. In this case, people bought and were presented with the Beta.
I don't think there is enough money on the table for a class-action. On top of that class-actions are more about damaging the company than getting money back and the largest damage was already made to Frontier's reputation. All major gaming websites and some popular technological forums reported the issue giving it a lot of exposure. Frontier is not painted in a very good light in most of the articles, not to mention some comments.
Spectre Alpha
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LOL so in 10 years from now you would still be able to play a 10 yo game that by comparison will be total rubbish to what can be done then. Sounds great, games have a useful life of about 2 years max. Then they are outdated although some still choose to play them instead of staying current.
Regardless of the legal implications of what they as a company, and one side of a business transaction, have to do under UK law I feel some small amount of leeway would have been a good idea at this point from a PR point of view. It's probably a small number of people that actually wanted a refund so I'm sure that wouldn't have dented the coffers much.
I have seen this story now on the BBC News app, on Slashdot and The Register too. None of these stories paint a rosy picture of what has happened.
I have seen this story now on the BBC News app, on Slashdot and The Register too. None of these stories paint a rosy picture of what has happened.
I'm sorry. Yes, it has rather degenerated. But after DB's piece earlier where he explained why offline was cancelled and in light of the clear terms and conditions, the fact that some still can't accept that offline is gone and that refunds are not going to happen has reached the point of ludicracy... ludiocraty... ludiciousness... whatever. Like I said before, twice. It is now up to them to decide if they are going to back the game as it is now... or not. Ok, I'm done. Going to do something more interesting than flogging a dead horse.
Oh I support this kind of thing, I no doubt will invest in some skins at some point.
I just read David Braben's replies, tbh I'm quite happy with the result, he did say sorry and the stuff about releasing the server stuff if they closed it, well that's great news. as much as I would like a proper offline version of the game this is now acceptable to me. not ideal, but acceptable.
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