As David said yesterday (speaking of the number of questions), he regrets not being able to answer all, because it is like drinking at a fire hose nozzle. I think that for the game is the same. Frontier is a midsize company and it is best to use its human resources on the essential things for the quality of a great play.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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some are confused by that. Not all are confused by that. Others are confused about what exactly online solo means: Will you still ruin my market? Will you still discover planets I was heading to explore? Will I be able to pause the game?
And all investments carry risk.
I wouldn't even call it that - it's a donation of money that gets repaid by a donation of goods if the process is successful.
http://www.reddit.com/r/kickstarter...ete_list_of_funded_kickstarter_projects_that/
Some don't even make it out as a cut-down version of the original promise.
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That's also a complaint.
Dear oh dear not another apologist . . .
Look it's EXTREMELY simple.
Backers were promised an offline reward
At almost the last possible instant that was taken away without recompense.
It's very poor business for someone who relied on kickstarter funds and a kick in the teeth for kickstarter funding in general.
People did NOT buy INTO beta! Beta access (unpayed tester job) was a goodie to a PRE-Purchase of a game that included OFFLINE capability... If you carefully read the terms on the store, which must have been posted hundreds of times, carefully, there are no uncertain terms for cancelling the order!
"or from the day of the conclusion of the contract, in the case of services or digital content not supplied in a tangible medium", as in receiving access to the final game you actually bought (opposed to a testing framework for "invaluable feedback and tracking down bugs (FDs own words).
Further:
"You may cancel a pre-order for a Digital Product up to and including the day before the release date of the relevant Digital Product by contacting Customer Services clearly stating your order number and item(s) to be cancelled." the RELEVANT product in this case being the actual game! Again not what we used to HELP Frontier Developers to find bugs, test game mechanics etc.
Also keep in mind, usually play testers are HIRED to test these things and help in checking performance and stability.
In our case with the added benefit of thousands of different hardware compositions, which is always tough on developers who do in-house testing.
To be clear about that, I have no problem with help testing and not getting payed for my work, as in return, I could have a look at what parts of the final product may look like.
Just understand, people are rightfully angry about that last minute decision. If they choose to get the pre-order cancelled and want a refund I think it is the least FD should do. If FD does not refund with "evasive" answers, these customers are in their legal rights to take further actions, as in revoking payment through credit cards and fight it out in a court.
The later being not good for either FD nor the remaining community as it can easily end in financial desaster!
Just my thoughts...
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What you complain ? In the collection box, you will have a very classy polo instead of a trivial T-shirt.
Seriously, I think you've read that if a day Ed disappears, we will have archived version with servers and playable offline. It would be a reasonable compensationI'm not gonna run myself into the ground trying to ruin your market...but I'll compete for it, probably less efficiently than a coded AI if I've had a few beers. I'd guess you can pause the game as before - but if you do so for a long time then potentially you could miss out on a deal if there happens to be players nearby running the same goods as you (chances in the size of galaxy planned?)
and that woul'd be what? Misleading fans with promises you do not intend too keep when you need to raise the money? I'm soory but that is how the things look now. Especially due to FDs attittude on the whole matter. especially with explanations like:
"We can not give you any details, because it is secret"
"We were not happy with how it worked and multiplayer is much better"
"Why do you want offline mode that much?"
Well thats never been my understanding of the term..
Here's google's
invest
ɪnˈvɛst/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: investing
1.
put (money) into financial schemes, shares, property, or a commercial venture with the expectation of achieving a profit.
"the company is to invest £12 m in its manufacturing site at Linlithglow"
synonyms: put money into, sink money into, lay out money on, plough money into; provide capital for, spend money on, fund, back, finance, underwrite, subsidize, support, pay for; buy into, buy shares in, buy/take a stake in; informalget a piece of, splash out on
devote (one's time, effort, or energy) to a particular undertaking with the expectation of a worthwhile result.
"we have invested a considerable amount of time in demonstrating the value of the system"
synonyms: spend, expend, lay out, put in, plough in, use up, devote; More
informal
buy (a relatively expensive product) whose usefulness will repay the cost.
"I invested in an expensive moisturizer and tried to drink more water"
2.
provide or endow someone or something with (a particular quality or attribute).
"the passage of time has invested the words with an unintended humour"
synonyms: imbue, infuse, perfuse, charge, steep, saturate, suffuse, pervade, fill, endow
"the words were invested with as much sarcasm as she could muster"
What ever the semantics, the point still stands. Kickstarting is essentially preordering with a bit of added risk. Don't get me wrong I think its a fantastic innovation and directly linking consumers with creators cutting out the money men in the middle has enormous potential and has already delivered countless products that people love and might never have been made without it. BUT it depends on a certain level of trust (and probably new laws) and for the consumer to hold the creator to account if they fair to deliver as promised.
I've been in South Africa, and I had better connect and speed there than I do in London... Beware your choice of complaints
Personally, I was casually observing from afar but getting pretty excited with what I was seeing, excited to take a spin offline with the new DRM-free Elite. Until a few days ago when I discovered that Frontier had just thrown me against a wall and was walking away with my money, coldly dismissing what they had just done to me.
I can understand you. But I understand also Frontier
Sorry but It think the problem here is purely that most misunderstand EXACTLY what kickstarter actually IS! you are not pre buying a defined product like you might when pre purchasing a game on steam or origin.
You are GIVING money to a company who have a VISION of something they want to create. They do give an outline of their intentions but these intentions may not come to fruition. I am sorry if that concept has been misunderstood, but seriously some of you NEED to get over this. It is only a GAME, there is still a SOLO world to play in (some are still moaning they have to "share" their universe (as if it isn't big enough).
The money given at kickstarter was pledged for these guys to make the best game they could - a minority here actually have a case as they held back the pledge until the offline mode was announced, but seriously it is not all of you and you know it.
You are GIVING money to a company who have a VISION of something they want to create. They do give an outline of their intentions but these intentions may not come to fruition. I am sorry if that concept has been misunderstood, but seriously some of you NEED to get over this. It is only a GAME, there is still a SOLO world to play in (some are still moaning they have to "share" their universe (as if it isn't big enough).
The money given at kickstarter was pledged for these guys to make the best game they could - a minority here actually have a case as they held back the pledge until the offline mode was announced, but seriously it is not all of you and you know it.
I hope that this isn't just wishful thinking.
Some people still want to revel in drama, even after they yesterday seemed satisfied with David's answers.
At least the cries about deliberate betrayal and evil have lost their force. I hope we can get the positive spirit back here. I have backed many KS projects, and will continue to do so. The results are rarely exactly what I thought, but in general I'm happy they exist.
At least the cries about deliberate betrayal and evil have lost their force. I hope we can get the positive spirit back here. I have backed many KS projects, and will continue to do so. The results are rarely exactly what I thought, but in general I'm happy they exist.
Your arguments are valid also, of course
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Yes, Hope
"I Love this thread, it's exciting."
You know, I've put this point up before and no-one has answered it: The explanation for the development changes says it was based on Feedback. Feedback from who? Martians? No, backers! You, We (collectively) have steered FDev down this road.
As to spoiling the game, it is this thread that BBC point to and say "See, turmoil." And yet, all I see are people picking up their rattle, throwing it again, then picking it back up to throw it again. The arguments are circular and guess what: You've done what you wanted to do, you've hurt Elite Dangerous, FDev and David Braben. You've been noticed. The rest of us are now also sorry you are hurt. The Offline Issue does not affect us in this way, but you are making us feel it. What have we ever done to you? You are causing us pain right now and we have no relationship with you. :S
If you want to leave and ask refunds and what ever, just go and leave the rest of the community, which, I might add, is a majority of backers and supporters, to enjoy what's left after you've done trashing the place.
Please, have some compassion and empathy for the rest of us. Leave it alone. You've said what you've said. We heard you.
What really bothers me is the feeling that they think I'm stupid and I will buy into the reason for no offline mode. I've been playing "solo" since I started playing the beta, and I've never felt something was changing, or anything more that it was all static. And I'm OK with that, I just wanted to fly, explore, do stuff on my own.
But I really wanted offline because there were plenty of times I couldn't play "solo" because the servers were busy or down. Plus the fact that I lost my ship once because the connection dropped when I was near a "sun".
So why weren't they straightforward and told us they were worried about piracy and thought "always online" was a great measure to avoid that? People would still complain in the same amount, but at least I wouldn't feel like they're treating us as mindless consumers.
But I really wanted offline because there were plenty of times I couldn't play "solo" because the servers were busy or down. Plus the fact that I lost my ship once because the connection dropped when I was near a "sun".
So why weren't they straightforward and told us they were worried about piracy and thought "always online" was a great measure to avoid that? People would still complain in the same amount, but at least I wouldn't feel like they're treating us as mindless consumers.
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