This ^^ i have sympathy for people that wanted offline but have no time for people slandering FD.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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This ^^ i have sympathy for people that wanted offline but have no time for people slandering FD.
But they are saying they will archive the game servers in case that happens... just like they said there was going to be an offline mode.
Once trust has been broken, you can't just keep asking for more trust.
That is the spin of the players who prefer online gameplay. It is not the true we are trying to trash the game, place and hurt you! That is a nonsense! With what exactly do you feel endangered? Who is attacking you like some of you have been attacking "offliners" here? What is the ratio of that? The problem is that this is not about Krait being cancelled from the ships that made into the game. Lack of gameplay mode is more serious than that and you all know this!
It is now utterly futile to ask for any empathy. You know why? Because of agressive "we still got what we wanted so shut up and get lost!" some of "online players" showed after last friday. We as the comunity never sticked together. You are not considering us as a part of this communities and fellows that also helped and contributed in bringing your precious online Elite. At first sign of problem we have divided. And that is more serious thing even than scrapping of offline solo, since that poison is now endangering to consume us all.
And as for "get your refund and shut up" the problem is majority of people obviously is denied to be refunded by FDs.
Actually, I have had it happen to me - usually when I was dumb enough to jump in before learning the community and doing proper research. I learned better pretty fast.
A new account jumping in and screaming along with a ragefest tends to make most folks think "the meta is strong with this one..."
An account that posts exclusively on one topic and with a contrarian opinion even more so, particualrly if they base a lot of their arguments on rhetorical fallacies such as argumentum ad hominem.
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Exactly this! Unless FD is liquidated on David's and investor's decision they will have no say in what happens to Elite, the servers and their intellectual property.
If FD should go bancrupt or is acquired by another company, the new owner or liquidator decides on what happens to the company's intellectual property. Does somebody seriously believe that they will do what David said in a FAQ session in the Frontier forums years ago? C'mon... Why do some people don't understand that?
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Offline was no more a promise than a number of other features that will not be in the game on launch. Unless you have no internet i really don't see why people are making such a massive deal about this. You can still play solo with background events shaped by real people as opposed to randomly scripted AI. Sounds good to me!
I'd guess/hope for a single shard server controlling the trade prices and galaxy evolution whilst any in-space interactions would be instanced; either locally for NPCs or p2p for player meetups.
Having the NPCs controlled on the server for combat would be bad because of lag, unnecessary CPU usage and unnecessary data usage when any modern PC is going to easily be able to spare the processing to do it locally. Even though it might be tiny amounts of each required per NPC - you then have to multiply that by the number of current engagements happening world-wide (and in the case of lag, providing and paying for extra servers to offer a reasonable performance globally)
Actually I think the more likely scenario is they will try and get their alpha and premium beta pledges back, then buy the new online ED at a reduced price having enjoyed their online only experience from whatever time they bought in until now.
Dave in the Australian navy they have a saying that goes something like "I'm inboard Jack - stuff you".
Which roughly translated into everyday English means "I'm ok - who cares if you're affected".
Pretty much the attitude Anthony displays plus a healthy dose of 'go away you annoy me'.
Ignore and enjoy.
this is sujective
whos life
not yours for sure
for life long read the life span that they keep the servers open
If they said that it would come later and not be out at launch, I wouldn't have asked for a refund.
They didn't say the feature is delayed, they said it is scrapped entirely.
I think we saw trust, integrity and promises trashed well before this forum was.
DB is such a hero to many of us that even the sense of betrayal was assuaged by his atempt to handle the situation. Most people who posted here were disappointed with the loss of offline and wanted to express that, I doubt any of them wished any harm or ill-will to anything.
Most are still onboard with the whole thing from what I can tell, anybody who thinks that most were satisfied by anything that happened yesterday are just deluding themselves.
I think the bumpy, jolly, fluffy, innocence that ran through this forum has been stamped out and the rammifications remain just under the surface for now, most backers and those that took a shot to the face from FD will be following things very closely and with a very cynical eye from now on.
DB is such a hero to many of us that even the sense of betrayal was assuaged by his atempt to handle the situation. Most people who posted here were disappointed with the loss of offline and wanted to express that, I doubt any of them wished any harm or ill-will to anything.
Most are still onboard with the whole thing from what I can tell, anybody who thinks that most were satisfied by anything that happened yesterday are just deluding themselves.
I think the bumpy, jolly, fluffy, innocence that ran through this forum has been stamped out and the rammifications remain just under the surface for now, most backers and those that took a shot to the face from FD will be following things very closely and with a very cynical eye from now on.
Re: Backer's Feedback - No, but FDev have said that the feature set they have put in is based on feedback, and that has made it impractical. It's like asked for a bigger Power Unit, but then complaining there's no space to put cargo afterward. So no, that's not an answer, that's 'dodging the issue.'
Lashing out is animal instinct. Human behaviour is taming our instincts for the good of the greater group. It's called the social contract and it's what we do day to day.
No, you want to try and convince FDev to undo a business decision that is based on the facts before them. People are asking for refunds on goods they have already taken delivery off? I wouldn't give the money back either. Funny enough, neither would you.
Asking for compassion whilst showing none is... exactly what people complaining about FDev's decision are doing. They are not thinking about anybody else. I guess that hurts. Guess what, it's been hurting for a couple of days now. If I end up wasting my investment money because the minority offline group kicks up such a storm it causes the project to fold... I won't have a forum to moan about it on.
Thank you for enjoying the picture...
Dude, you really are not part of the solution, if you really wanted to help FD you would walk away for a few days, or at the very least carefully consider the tone and content of your posts.
I started this account to post on this subject because this is the only subject that I care about with regards to Elite Dangerous. I only post on this one topic because I only care about this one topic. My posts are 100% contrarian (sic) because, well I am only posting on one topic about one thing that I am not happy about.
However, I really have to give you chutzpah credit for making ad-hom attacks raging about all the ad-hom attacks
Ahem, when it was thought as an Online with "interaction with other players", why is the usual "interaction" simply to shoot someone else and using him as some kind of "advanced KI"???
The communication features are a bad joke as of Beta 3.5... really, TEXTING people while flying with a HOTAS (HANDS On Throttle And Stick), they must be kidding. Yes, there is Voice comms... to ONE other human player? How about at least System wide channels? Or real comms with multiple channels you can tune in?
For an MMOG the social interactions are "limited" at best.
May be it will get better, but as it is currently, the only chance to really "Play" online with interaction is the usual Teamspeak Server, unfortunately it is impossible out side a group to have people on a Teamspeak, as the usual lone wolf CMDR you stumble upon in space wouldn't know what your Server is.
So most of the time you text some "Hi there!" - "Hello! Nice here", or start shooting at each other...
lol and This thread is going further and further,
There is A secure Problem in this Forum because no one needs any connection to a existinging or existed
order of Elite Dangerous!!!
And this Is a Problem because its luring Fanboys and Forum Warriors
from "other games" or forums to scam this up.
Why anyone who has not barely to do with ED can give his mustard on to this thread
think its not an Open Beta.
Me included.
There is A secure Problem in this Forum because no one needs any connection to a existinging or existed
order of Elite Dangerous!!!
And this Is a Problem because its luring Fanboys and Forum Warriors
from "other games" or forums to scam this up.
Why anyone who has not barely to do with ED can give his mustard on to this thread
think its not an Open Beta.
Me included.
Channel now open for requests!
Dear possible future Poster,
before you write, check me out for a second if you are so kind.
For future replies i thought about to give YOU, yes you there, a starting help, what you can find in the last nearly 600 pages.
Just choose a topic from below, add your opinion and you will guaranteed hit somebodys sweetspot and ensure a further discussion.
By that fascinating move you won't need to read back all those pages, you'll save plenty time by not having to read that whole circle of arguments, just fire away and wait till it is repeated to your enjoyment.
Just imagine this as your personal TV-remote, just push a button and lean back, see below for available channels.
I hope I could help, have fun!
So here are some topics to chose from,
1. Kickstarter: investment or order? -> brace yourself for links and self-proclaimed lawyers, even if you never heard of KS you'll be an expert afterwards for sure
2. Refunds: can i have one? -> look at the Kickstarter channel, you'll get the same
3. always online means it is DRM -> Discussion about wether it is or not and what DRM actually means, accompanied by many other examples of past games
4. always on is to ensure future P2W / micropayments -> discussion who is willing to pay and why or why not
5. always on means no pause ability -> discussion about how other MMOs can be played, disturbed by discussion if ED is a MMO or not
6. This was always known and just hold back! -> our special for conspiracy-enthusiasts, you know who you are...and if not...shhhh....the NSA does...
7. No offline means no game when servers go down -> discussion about other MMOs and Diablo 3, be prepared, it's often moving to channel 5.
8. I was in there from the start, nowI'm out -> discussion about motives, some personal attacks and often switching to the Kickstarter channel
9. Offline Mode: Who needs it and why? -> discussion about personal circumstances, attacked by other claiming to understand but then broadside it with other arguments from channel 1-8.
That is by far not everything, but as time moves on you will see it starts to repeat.
You can then just drop out or if you liked a special part, just throw in on of the above again to break the cycle and reenjoy your experience.
Warning: Use with caution! Excessive use may suck you into the topic.
Regards, Eric
Dear possible future Poster,
before you write, check me out for a second if you are so kind.
For future replies i thought about to give YOU, yes you there, a starting help, what you can find in the last nearly 600 pages.
Just choose a topic from below, add your opinion and you will guaranteed hit somebodys sweetspot and ensure a further discussion.
By that fascinating move you won't need to read back all those pages, you'll save plenty time by not having to read that whole circle of arguments, just fire away and wait till it is repeated to your enjoyment.
Just imagine this as your personal TV-remote, just push a button and lean back, see below for available channels.
I hope I could help, have fun!
So here are some topics to chose from,
1. Kickstarter: investment or order? -> brace yourself for links and self-proclaimed lawyers, even if you never heard of KS you'll be an expert afterwards for sure
2. Refunds: can i have one? -> look at the Kickstarter channel, you'll get the same
3. always online means it is DRM -> Discussion about wether it is or not and what DRM actually means, accompanied by many other examples of past games
4. always on is to ensure future P2W / micropayments -> discussion who is willing to pay and why or why not
5. always on means no pause ability -> discussion about how other MMOs can be played, disturbed by discussion if ED is a MMO or not
6. This was always known and just hold back! -> our special for conspiracy-enthusiasts, you know who you are...and if not...shhhh....the NSA does...
7. No offline means no game when servers go down -> discussion about other MMOs and Diablo 3, be prepared, it's often moving to channel 5.
8. I was in there from the start, nowI'm out -> discussion about motives, some personal attacks and often switching to the Kickstarter channel
9. Offline Mode: Who needs it and why? -> discussion about personal circumstances, attacked by other claiming to understand but then broadside it with other arguments from channel 1-8.
That is by far not everything, but as time moves on you will see it starts to repeat.
You can then just drop out or if you liked a special part, just throw in on of the above again to break the cycle and reenjoy your experience.
Warning: Use with caution! Excessive use may suck you into the topic.
Regards, Eric
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