Odyssey is currently 88% off on CDKeys for Steam version

Elpapo

Elpapo
Ozric said:
Just on a purely personal note, if you want some money to go to the developers then I wouldn't use CDKeys as they don't deal directly with suppliers/distributers.
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Why spend more than its needed? Does they deserve more money? You really think that?

If there is option to get this DLC regardless of source but cheaper, then anyone should do it (long as its legit - not pirated)...

As an idea of "supporting" developers seems not working as expected, thats the sad fact. Frontier by way they acts, shows that they dont care about Elite that much, so preety safe to say is that even with unlimited budget, they still would be doing anything else that support that game properly. So yeah, anyone who thinks that if they spend more on game, that it would help with anything with that, they are simply delusional.

Only times when Elite was "properly" taken care of, it was only during its first years, before Frontier started to "expand" and making other titles, as atleast back then before it happen, we had regular updates, and despite less content game had, there was less things to broken up atleast (those who did worked on it back then, atleast knew what they been doing - unlike now), whenever new update was relased.

Dont get me wrong, I did myself spend a lot into elite... First by mecenary edition (pre-relase) then both DLC (Horizons + oddy) each by 40 pounds, and probly 3 or 4 times as much worth of cosmeticals for each, by almost 10 years. I dont think I ever spend that much into any other game, not even by close margin. Does it was worth it? I say yea, since I do have thousands of hours done... but current state of title is leaving lot to be desired.

Im not mad about lack of new features more than I am mad because it lacks of proper care. Things getting broken each update, and by things get broken over and over again... and worst is who knows when it will be ever fixed! Waiting 8-9 months or even years in some cases, to get something fixed is not right, and honestly it sets me off.
 

thistle

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Elpapo said:
Why spend more than its needed? Does they deserve more money? You really think that?
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They certainly deserve some of the money from someone buying their game. Yes.

Ozric said:
Just on a purely personal note, if you want some money to go to the developers then I wouldn't use CDKeys as they don't deal directly with suppliers/distributers. All their keys are acquired through morally Grey means :)
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Ozric

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Ozric
Elpapo said:
Waiting 8-9 months or even years in some cases, to get something fixed is not right, and honestly it sets me off.
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I waited from 2015 till 2017 for a bug to be fixed, reporting it every release. It not a new thing with the complexity of the game. But then they had started making Planet Coaster in January 2015, which is only 2 months after release. So I guess they "didn't properly take care of it" quite quickly ;)

But yes my comment stands. Developers do deserve some money for their work. Green Man Gaming is an example of a good discount site which, like Steam, works directly with developers and publishers to negotiate ways of enabling them to provide you with discounts. I'm not going to judge people buying from sites that use "contacts in the industry" to obtain keys, but I will caution against it. For any game :)
 

Alien

Alien
Ozric said:
I waited from 2015 till 2017 for a bug to be fixed, reporting it every release. It not a new thing with the complexity of the game. But then they had started making Planet Coaster in January 2015, which is only 2 months after release. So I guess they "didn't properly take care of it" quite quickly ;)

But yes my comment stands. Developers do deserve some money for their work. Green Man Gaming is an example of a good discount site which, like Steam, works directly with developers and publishers to negotiate ways of enabling them to provide you with discounts. I'm not going to judge people buying from sites that use "contacts in the industry" to obtain keys, but I will caution against it. For any game :)
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I certainly didn't post the thread with the intention to upset anyone, especially Frontier, and if Frontier would rather the thread be deleted (ie not highlight that particular site), I am ok with that.

The reason I posted the thread is a) I was surprised to see it, and surprised at how big the discount was / how cheap it was going for ... and b) I am struggling right now (blame cost of living if you want or blame my poor money handling, I don't care) financially, and just went through a bit of a faff sorting out my 2nd and 3rd accounts for Elite, realising that they did not have Odyssey.

I have spent a not inconsiderable sum on this game:
£150 kickstarter (including Lifetime Expansion Pass)
£50 access to alpha group
£500 cosmetics over 10 years

So I think it's fair to snap up a key for Odyssey if it's really cheap while I can. I apologise to Frontier if they're not getting the maximum revenue from it. I admit I was unaware and still don't know, how "legit" that site is, but my payment went through ok, the key worked ok, and nothing dubious seems to have occurred as far as I can tell.

If the moderators want to lock and hide this thread, I am ok with that.
 

Darth Ender

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word on the internet is if you are getting an actual code for steam and not a stripped down steam account, then there is no harm or foul here. steam is who is selling this company stuff at a discount so if the developer has an issue with how much their stuff is selling for, they ought to take it up with valve and steam.
 

Luriant

Luriant
Darth Ender said:
word on the internet is if you are getting an actual code for steam and not a stripped down steam account, then there is no harm or foul here. steam is who is selling this company stuff at a discount so if the developer has an issue with how much their stuff is selling for, they ought to take it up with valve and steam.
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There is a market of fake youtuber account asking key for reviews and fake contest, that sell this and obtain profit.

I know 2 GREAT videos about it with the youtuber talking with companies, but also this grey shop and even the guy that make crappy games for the "Surprise pack with 3 games with a valu of 30€ or more", the videos are in spanish, try the automatic translator for subtitles:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3jbzuVAymc


Word of internet is as valid as fake news....
 

Darth Ender

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Luriant said:
There is a market of fake youtuber account asking key for reviews and fake contest, that sell this and obtain profit.

I know 2 GREAT videos about it with the youtuber talking with companies, but also this grey shop and even the guy that make crappy games for the "Surprise pack with 3 games with a valu of 30€ or more", the videos are in spanish, try the automatic translator for subtitles:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3jbzuVAymc


Word of internet is as valid as fake news....
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if the keys aren't being hacked and generated via a keygen tool, which is highly unlikely with steam, then steam gave the keys away for free or sold them for some amount.. either way they are legitimate sales.

I wouldn't bother buying from discount places but cdkeys seems to have avoided all of these 'grey market' rumours over the years and keeps chugging along.

regardless of how they came into possession of these keys, it's ultimately steam that generated them and sold them. so I'd still put any loss of profit blame on them.
 

Aella Fess

Aella Fess
Curious - in most game forums I know mentioning key resellers is no-no and thread is deleted in 5 sec. Does ED forum allow this? Key resellers work mostly on "independent' sellers that often get keys from a) free giveaways; 2) stolen credit cards; 3) keys added to physical product (like GPU's).
So if you want to buy key from keysellers someone had to buy it first. Why would that someone be willing to loose money on their sale and sell it 80% cheaper than they bought it? Sure, you can't prove them anything, I haven't heard about any key reseller ship that went down because of legal reasons... That doesn't mean they are ok though.
Anyone who is commited to the game enough to check the forums shouldnt buy it from keysellers, imo. Like it or not, but if you are playing a game for hundreds or thousands of hours then yes, devs deserve your money. People often pay 60$ for game they'll play for 20 hours or even less. ED is one and the only game in it's niche genre, surely worth supporting studio that maintains it...
 

fennster

fennster
A common method is for a new steam account to be made for you in a location where pricing is cheaper, Russia for instance. The purchase is made on your behalf. You are then given the log in details for this account along with an accompanying email account. All of this can be carried out by bots.

So it's a legitimate (cheaper) steam purchase, with a mark up to pay the middle man.
 

Alien

Alien
Aella Fess said:
Curious - in most game forums I know mentioning key resellers is no-no and thread is deleted in 5 sec. Does ED forum allow this? Key resellers work mostly on "independent' sellers that often get keys from a) free giveaways; 2) stolen credit cards; 3) keys added to physical product (like GPU's).
So if you want to buy key from keysellers someone had to buy it first. Why would that someone be willing to loose money on their sale and sell it 80% cheaper than they bought it? Sure, you can't prove them anything, I haven't heard about any key reseller ship that went down because of legal reasons... That doesn't mean they are ok though.
Anyone who is commited to the game enough to check the forums shouldnt buy it from keysellers, imo. Like it or not, but if you are playing a game for hundreds or thousands of hours then yes, devs deserve your money. People often pay 60$ for game they'll play for 20 hours or even less. ED is one and the only game in it's niche genre, surely worth supporting studio that maintains it...
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As I've said, if Frontier or this forum's moderators wish to remove the thread, I am ok with it.
It stays up at purely their discrection.
 

Navigare Necesse Est

Navigare Necesse Est
There is authorised key sellers (e.g. Humble) and there is unauthorised re sellers (e.g. G2A). Unauthorised sellers deal with grey market items which means they may have been acquired unlawfully (credit card fraud e.g.). As such any such key can at any point be voided. It used to be a bigger deal some 5 years ago and a popular vehicle for money laundering. Since then, many of the big publishers have ceased direct business with key resellers.
You might also end up with a region locked key that prevents you using the key, unless you employ special treatment which may or not be lawful or violate agreements you have signed to.
 
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