The "Big Six" animal requests -difficult choices as the wraps up

Fossa

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Imagine not liking the secretary bird, glad I ain’t having such a taste. Most special bird in the world, and they rather see white freaking storks.

The dutch find white storks so boring, they are illegal in zoos here.

Our zoo blijdorp did have secretary birds, so they are zoo animals, but the realistic lover brigade on this forum seems to dislike them?

I can’t figure out why, are they part of the overused-lover clan? People that love t.rex and lions (overused things) tend to dislike special animals like electric eels, babirusa, sable antelopes, leopard seals, cassowary, anteaters, secretary birds and all other not common/overused animals, that is why I always clash with them
 
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Corail

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Fossa said:
Imagine not liking the secretary bird, glad I ain’t having such a taste. Most special bird in the world, and they rather see white freaking storks.

The dutch find white storks so boring, they are illegal in zoos here.

Our zoo blijdorp did have secretary birds, so they are zoo animals, but the realistic lover brigade on this forum seems to dislike them?

I can’t figure out why, are they part of the overused-lover clan? People that love t.rex and lions (overused things) tend to dislike special animals like electric eels, babirusa, sable antelopes, leopard seals, cassowary, anteaters, secretary birds and all other not common/overused animals, that is why I always clash with them
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Why are you so aggressive? Describing anyone who doesn't have your opinion as your "enemies", talking how you "clash with them", describing them as a "brigade", always talking about them (us, really) in the third person ... We're allowed to have different opinions, and to value different things in the game - you don't have to be so toxic every time someone disagrees with you. This is just a video game.

Now, personally, it's just that a duck or a pelican or an ibis or a pheasant or indeed a stork would not represent their species, but also other ducks/pelicans/pheasants/ibises/storks. Not all zoos have specifically the mandarin duck, but most zoos have at least a species of duck, so I'd like to get any species of duck to fill that niche. Same with pelicans or ibises or specifically members of the ciconia genus (in the case of the white stork).

While the secretary bird is an interesting animal, it doesn't "represent" any other species, it's the only sagitarridae, and thus it's a lower priority to me - I'd like to get a few unique birds, but I'd rather have a representant for all big, important families first. And as far as unique African birds go, I'd take the Marabou stork and the Grey crowned crane before the Secretary bird and the Shoebill, but that's just my personal taste.

Also, white storks aren't illegal in zoos in the Netherlands. In fact, according to zootierliste, 21 dutch zoos have white storks - including important zoos like Artis Amsterdam and Gaiazoo.
 
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AndyZoos

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Of these six, I'd go with the following three. Keep in mind that I support mods. So that will influence this somewhat...
  • Tree Kangaroo: Would benefit the most from the Frontier "touch" given that its a marsupial and a climber that could have some verycute animations. I'm sure modders could update the versions already out there with their current skill sets and knock it out the park. But they'd have to forfeit the pouch or the climbing to pull that off...
    • There's also potential for a new type of feeder or arboreal enrichment item to be added with these guys. Again, something that can't be modded at the current time.
    • I also feel compelled to point out that the demand for this animal is grossly understated due to the splitting of the two popular sub-species. If you combined those it would have been in the top 3 much sooner.
    • This is also my #1 so anybody whose talked with me about wishlists in the last two years was probably aware this was coming. LOL
  • Secretary Bird: Another species that would benefit from unique animations and behaviors immensely. And those feathers... I can only imagine how gorgeous it would look. Not my #1 pick by a longshot but... It's highly demanded and a very unique species.
    • The current mod is gorgeous so don't get me wrong there. But I can't help that Frontier could do some really interesting things with the animations for them.
  • Coati: This just pure personal preference. I don't really care about baboons... I'm sure if they'd be added, I'd build for them and enjoy watching them, but nowhere near as much as the coati! Plus: SA representation!
The baboon would be fine like I said above. But boy, oh boy, if it comes down to it... The walrus and the musk ox in any given pack would probably be the worst combo for me.
 

Fossa

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Corail said:
Why are you so aggressive? Describing anyone who doesn't have your opinion as your "enemies", talking how you "clash with them", describing them as a "brigade", always talking about them (us, really) in the third person ... We're allowed to have different opinions, and to value different things in the game - you don't have to be so toxic every time someone disagrees with you. This is just a video game.

Now, personally, it's just that a duck or a pelican or an ibis or a pheasant or indeed a stork would not represent their species, but also other ducks/pelicans/pheasants/ibises/storks. Not all zoos have specifically the mandarin duck, but most zoos have at least a species of duck, so I'd like to get any species of duck to fill that niche. Same with pelicans or ibises or specifically members of the ciconia genus (in the case of the white stork).

While the secretary bird is an interesting animal, it doesn't "represent" any other species, it's the only sagitarridae, and thus it's a lower priority to me - I'd like to get a few unique birds, but I'd rather have a representant for all big, important families first. And as far as unique African birds go, I'd take the Marabou stork and the Grey crowned crane before the Secretary bird and the Shoebill, but that's just my personal taste.

Also, white storks aren't illegal in zoos in the Netherlands. In fact, according to zootierliste, 21 dutch zoos have white storks - including important zoos like Artis Amsterdam and Gaiazoo.
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White storks aren’t in cages, they live on nests in the zoo, but they can leave, not really a part of the zoo itself.

Mallard Ducks are another species of animal that is probably named that way, but they live in zoo ponds, they can leave freely, mandarin ducks are not only 100% more beautiful, they are 10.000 times more interesting

There is already the red crowned crane, so that grey crowned crane example doesn’t make sense.

You discriminate against loner groups, the most interesting animals on this planet, the fact they are the last species of their group should make you exiting.

But I’m sure you are a rex fan, they are much like soccer/football fans as it comes to taste in overused things the big masses crave for
 
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Corail

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Fossa said:
White storks aren’t in cages, they live on nests in the zoo, but they can leave, not really a part of the zoo itself.
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Well, in Rheine for instance there's a big walkthrough exhibit dedicated to them, which was a highlight of my trip when I went there.

The red-crowned crane and the grey-crowned crane are very different in terms of habitat (one lives in cold regions, the other in hotter ones), in terms of appearance, etc. I've used the red-crowned crane as a replacement for the whooping crane in a NA area once, it does work better. But yeah, I agree that the grey crowned crane is a unique bird and wouldn't really represent many species, as I've said in my post, hence why I said I'd rather have a representant for the big families first.

I'm neither a T-Rex fan nor a football enjoyer. Please stop assuming weird things about me.
 

KönigDerKaffeebohnen

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Corail said:
Well, in Rheine for instance there's a big walkthrough exhibit dedicated to them, which was a highlight of my trip when I went there.

The red-crowned crane and the grey-crowned crane are very different in terms of habitat (one lives in cold regions, the other in hotter ones), in terms of appearance, etc. I've used the red-crowned crane as a replacement for the whooping crane in a NA area once, it does work better. But yeah, I agree that the grey crowned crane is a unique bird and wouldn't really represent many species, as I've said in my post, hence why I said I'd rather have a representant for the big families first.

I'm neither a T-Rex fan nor a football enjoyer. Please stop assuming weird things about me.
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No use to talk back to Fossa, the person ks just here to be rude and spite people.

Just ignore and move on with your live, nothing worth to give your attention to
 

KönigDerKaffeebohnen

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For the actual question of the thread:

1. Duck
2. New World Monkey
3. African Dwarf Goat

As the 3 true highest impact animals arnt available, here is of those 3.

1. Coati wins cause its basic and common and SA desperatly needs basic and common to have a solid base to build upon with more specialised animals.
If monkeys are SAs antelopes, the main group with high numbers and representation in zoos especally regarding many species in the same zoo, then coatis are its meerkats, a small charismatic species that is in pretty much every zoo and fits everywhere. An african area without meerkats does not feel complete, same for a South american area without coatis

2. Big big gab down to the tree kangaroo, for the simple reason that its the hardest to do justice as a mod of the 6.
Its a vital piece to represent bew guinea and while i really really really want the victorian crowned pidgeon and short beaked echidna along side it, it alone would be enough to make tropical oceania go from just cassowary to something.

3. Baboons are cool and iconic ABC zoo animals that are actually common in zoos, something that cant be said about the other 3.


And now while i didnt pick the other 3:

Muskox: Completes tundra and thats it. Otherwise just another ungulate in a sea of ungulates, meaning its an easy mod and only plays a role if the player wants a tundra area, which is valid but much more niche then any continental area.

Walrus: Same as Muskox, but less essential as having 3 very different ungulates from each other is nice variety and important filler, but 3 different piniped pools is much rarer to find in the same zoo.
The gray seel and the californian sealion (very common in arctic themed areas in a real zoo, they are more common there then most arctic animals) allready fill its gameplay niche and while representing all 3 piniped familys would be cool, i wouldnt call it nessecary, especally not above any more important animals like new world monkeys, petting zoo animals or ducks, which need some base line representation badly.

Secretary Bird: Let me tell you a secret. I really dislike the Secretary birds popularity and it doesnt make sense to me.
I can understand that the mighty amazingness of ducks isnt something everybody agrees on, but what about a pelican?
Why isnt the literal ABC zoo bird next to the ostritch and flamingo the most popular Bird?
I can get niche preferences, i can get that the whole actually wanting to build for animals you see in zoos seems to not be something everybody agrees on especally regarding more "boring" yet common animals like ducks and ungulates, but come on why isnt the super common water flying bird pokemon a top contender?
Why arnt people rallying around the big stupid bird with a big silly mouth sack that looks unique, metall as hell and is in allmost every zoo in some form?
Secretary bird is cool and all, but its not even in my top 10 bird list, far below many things but especally a pelican (and ducks but yk that allready)
 

NachoB

NachoB
Cruz secretary bird is cool. And also ZT 2. That is literally it.

Is one of my favorite birds so i want it for that reason alone. I don't personally care about all that "common in zoos" thing like you all know, at least not as the main factor.

But i also want a pelican! And ducks.
 

KönigDerKaffeebohnen

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NachoB said:
Cruz secretary bird is cool. And also ZT 2. That is literally it.

Is one of my favorite birds so i want it for that reason alone. I don't personally care about all that "common in zoos" thing like you all know, at least not as the main factor.

But i also want a pelican! And ducks.
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Ye but like imagine a bird that is cool AND common aka the pelican.
 

CharlieXGaming

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Alright here we go.
  1. Baboon Species: Not only most recognizable species of primate left that we don't have, but also out of the top 6 its probably the most commonly known and realistic zoo species left. They would be the last key to complete Africa, are fun to build for and we haven't gotten a single African primate in any of the DLCs, in fact the last 3 primates we have gotten were from Asia.
  2. South American Coati: Tbh none of the other animals on the list feel that "urgent" to get, there are a few not in the top 6 that feel more important, but it is what it is. Theres no doubt that a coati would be cool for building lush rainforest enclosures, and it would bring us a non primate arboreal animal, which even though I wish that was the Brazilian porcupine, I can't complain about the coati. Its not one I really need, I think its more that if we get a lot of SA species without the coati, I'll be fine and won't care that much, but because this one is like the mascot for SA, it would be a good addition.
  3. Secretary Bird: Yes while not the most common or known bird out of Africas selection, the Secretary bird would still make for a really beautiful animal in the game, we need a bird that is really colourful and pops, this could be taken by a SA bird species, but if it doesn't then I think the Secretary Bird would make an excellent addition. So not that important for adding much to the roster, but it gives ZT2 rep and adds more bird variety, which I really can't complain about.
  4. Tree Kangaroo: I would absolutely love the tree roo but its not essential and I'm afraid its too much work for what its worth. We got the Oceania Pack, so I doubt that they would spend the majority of their time and resources on another one. So would love it, but it doesn't seem realistic to get.
And for the last 2...

5. Walrus: I get that its an ABC animal, but it just feels for one not a zoo animal, when I see this guy I think aquarium, not zoo. And two, its not as interesting as the rest. All of the species above have something that makes them unique other than just knowing them by name, I don't see the appeal of a Walrus.

6. Musk Ox: I don't even get why this one is so high, like people really prefer this thing over wanting a Pelican, Duck, SA monkey, Spectacled Bear? Anyway I have no use for it, if we're getting more caprines or bovids I would prefer to see them from Africa and Asia, not NA. North America for me is done, considering that we have 1 pack left probably, it really doesn't have any species that are desperate to get in. Don't see the appeal of this one at all.
 

Fossa

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biggest_dreamer said:
yeah it’s up there with those, what’s your point
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I’m sure the realistic lover gang ain’t gonna quote you on this rather hostile post like they do to me all the time.

His point was fair btw, and since I visited 3 zoo’s with secretary birds in it, all of your and their points are false
 

jcp011c

jcp011c
Maybe it's more accurate to say that the Walrus is the most recognizable habitat animal that's common in zoos and possible with current PZ mechanics that has a decent chance of making it in to the game - though I'd give you the Pelican and Duck as well. Certainly the one left that's a mammal.

Taking out flying birds, taking out exhibit animals, taking out smaller mammals that are not usually associated with zoos - rabbits and squirrels, you're left with the Walrus.
 

CharlieXGaming

CharlieXGaming
jcp011c said:
you're left with the Walrus.
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And the baboon.
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