The "Big Six" animal requests -difficult choices as the wraps up
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The Secretary bird is where it is on the wishlist because it’s unique, but there are a lot of other African birds that are both unique and more useful, e.g hornbill and crowned crane.
I don’t see why you can’t see where others are coming from, there are many reasons a person can want an animal, and believe it or not those people aren’t all you.
Oh yes, the hate for the Secretary Bird. It's only #1 on the Meta List that Random Goat ran. I realize they're not updating it from here on out, but #1 isn't indicative of being hated at all especially when that's the ranking the list ends on.
But go on. Find an issue with and rage about everything that everybody says, it's a much happier way to live a life, I'm sure.
But go on. Find an issue with and rage about everything that everybody says, it's a much happier way to live a life, I'm sure.
I love zootierliste for putting out there both current species and former species held in EAZA zoos.*EAZA Zoos
I'm in the United States; the best they provide are animals under either in the Taxonomic Advisory Group (TAG) AND/OR the Species Survival Program (SSP). I KNOW the red-legged seriema is an SSP species with a studbook and a manual released on how to properly keep them.
After a quick look, the Secretarybird is on the Raptor TAG and has a studbook but IS NOT listed as an SSP species.
Overall, I can see the argument for the red-legged seriema over the secretarybird. In zoos, they're more well represented and prioritized despite the secretarybird being an endangered species and needing further conservation efforts.
Like I mentioned earlier, I'm for both species being represented since they're both unique looking and have unique habits and movements.
I adore both species for their looks and their similar yet distinctive biology.
56 is pretty decent, got no issues there, i just personally would rate a pelican way way higher then the secretary bird
144 actually
115 from Europe + 19 from NA + 10 from SA = 144
Useful? To whom? I find the secretary bird very useful, much more usefull than all other birds spare for maybe shoebill and pelicans. Special = good, it’s the best thing an animal can possess, just being a number in the herd is a bad thing, the grey crowned crane are just that, easy to keep and easy to capture.
My life offline is perfect, thank you.
And because the secretary bird is the most popular, you realism lovers all gonna team up against it and try to seduce frontier not to use it.
I think Frontier picks for animals left this year are pretty much already set, specially if they are planning on doing such an unique rig like the secretary would need.
I never said the Secretary isn’t useful, I said there are other African birds that are more useful. Secretary birds are very solitary, they like enclosures to themselves, whereas hornbills and crowned cranes can join with animals like lemurs, hoofstock, etc. and make for much more diverse Savanna enclosures.
Why is the Grey Crowned crane not special? It’s pretty unique, it has its neck balloon and has vibrant colours just like the Secretary. I don’t think it is a bad thing to be “one in the herd” because having multiple species enclosures are actually more entertaining imo than solo enclosures.
Do You Happen To Have An Image Of That Because I Am Very Curious How It Would Look.
Crowned crane and lemurs share an enclosure at the Toronto zoo, I was there earlier today actually lol i don’t have a picture with both of them in it.
I’m picking:
1. Muskox
2. Baboon (if I can skew it a bit and choose the Gelada)
3. Coatimundi (I’d prefer White Nosed, but either is good)
If I can’t have the Gelada as a baboon, I’d have the Walrus as my third option.
The Muskox is definitely my favourite option though: it’d fit right into my Mammoth Steppe habitat with the Wisent, Wild Horse, Saiga and Asian Elephant.
1. Muskox
2. Baboon (if I can skew it a bit and choose the Gelada)
3. Coatimundi (I’d prefer White Nosed, but either is good)
If I can’t have the Gelada as a baboon, I’d have the Walrus as my third option.
The Muskox is definitely my favourite option though: it’d fit right into my Mammoth Steppe habitat with the Wisent, Wild Horse, Saiga and Asian Elephant.
To expand on my thoughts since the conversation has suddenly turned to be about these leggy bird queens, I'd love a secretary bird - they're one of my favorites and I have a soft spot for them after seeing them in the wild so many times - but I just can't say that they're a priority when we most likely only have 1-2 packs left (the same goes for some other fan-favorites that are interesting, but not very versatile, like the musk ox and to a lesser extent the walrus as mentioned in this thread).
In an ideal world, we'd get secretary birds, seriemas, crowned cranes, ground hornbills and all sorts of other bird options similarly to what's been given to ungulates and carnivorans - essentials, variety picks, filler picks, and then some - but unfortunately birds just don't get the same treatment by Frontier, and - to circle back to what this thread is about - when the game is on its last legs (officially, at least, I'm sure modding will keep it afloat for a long, long time lol) I think we just have to pick what's important, and that, to me, just isn't the secretary bird, as much as I love it as an animal. There are just other animals that (again, to me), do everything the secretary does zoo-niche wise and then some (the many other, and often mentioned, Afrotropical habitat birds that can be mixed, are ridiculously common in zoos, and really should be in game regardless, or the behaviorally and slightly visually similar seriema which adds to an underrepresented region.)
That's just me though, if someone wants the secretary to take one of our last bird slots, then more power to them! Non-essential animals like that are just not what I'm wanting out of our last few additions personally.
In an ideal world, we'd get secretary birds, seriemas, crowned cranes, ground hornbills and all sorts of other bird options similarly to what's been given to ungulates and carnivorans - essentials, variety picks, filler picks, and then some - but unfortunately birds just don't get the same treatment by Frontier, and - to circle back to what this thread is about - when the game is on its last legs (officially, at least, I'm sure modding will keep it afloat for a long, long time lol) I think we just have to pick what's important, and that, to me, just isn't the secretary bird, as much as I love it as an animal. There are just other animals that (again, to me), do everything the secretary does zoo-niche wise and then some (the many other, and often mentioned, Afrotropical habitat birds that can be mixed, are ridiculously common in zoos, and really should be in game regardless, or the behaviorally and slightly visually similar seriema which adds to an underrepresented region.)
That's just me though, if someone wants the secretary to take one of our last bird slots, then more power to them! Non-essential animals like that are just not what I'm wanting out of our last few additions personally.
I remember seeing a video about the Columbus Zoo and they have secretarybirds in their giraffe and hoofstock habitats (along with grey crowned-cranes). I'm thinking back to my own experiences and I've seen secretarybirds in large flight cages, and that was at both Zoo Miami and San Diego Zoo.
For a large African bird that's "versatile", either species of the crowned-cranes are the go-to for many zoos, especially the grey crowned-crane. Pelicans, specifically great whites and pink-backs, are another popular choice.
Other used large African birds include either species of ground-hornbill, marabou stork, and hell, even Old World vultures and the goliath heron. Oftentimes, these birds have their wing pinioned, just like with flamingos, cranes, ducks, geese, and swans.
If we want versatility among African hoofstock, the real world zoo consensus is the grey crowned-crane and either species of pelican I mentioned.
In my experiences, I haven't seen a ground-hornbill in a mixed species habitat yet; both species I've seen in their own flight cages. I've seen both marabous and Old World vultures either in their own habitat or in their own flight cages.
The shoebill is at the top of my habitat bird wishlist. How would you feel about that?
I mean i personally don't care, everyone's wishlist is their own thing but i don't agree with it being more important than other birds. Then again the grey crowned crane is my most wanted african bird but in second place is the secretary which is pretty much the same haha
I only know the last two. Maybe babboon too. That's a monkey? I don't see a bunch of no names going big.
We have been getting a lot of obscure animals in every DLC. If you don't know what the secretary bird or the coati are (or even the baboon) then it is no different for You for things like the binturong, dhole, siamang, dama gazelle, dwarf caiman, lechwe, maned wolf, fossa, babirusa, quokka, water monitor, saiga, etc.
Fortunally one of the strong points of the game is making animals known for the general audience.
What i mean to say is that not being a big name hasn't stop Frontier from making packs with them and even featuring them as the cover flagship animal.
and these six have been in the top of the metawishlist for a long time.