Thargoid invasion - Next target systems?

Ned Flandalorian

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Factabulous said:
Why? Indra has 90 Controls - even if we take all 3 that's still massive (if the difficulty is related to Control numbers), and they'll be re-invaded in upcoming weeks 🤔

(Asking because I don't understand why we're still looking at multiple Titans rather than concentrating on one at a time now they can be beaten)
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A few things to consider here.
The first thing: weekly tick wipes out 30% of progress in controls. Apart from Arietis Sector BQ-P b5-2, nothing at Leigong has any significant progress to lose. Or to put it another way, any progress added to them now is likely to be completely wiped out (disregarding sample stockpiling, since that doesn't actually "add" anything until they're handed in). But the control systems at Indra only each need 20% before Thursday which would be easily achievable given their greater distance from the maelstrom.

The second thing: These systems are the outermost controls, having had their progress boosted (to the maximum of 80%) by spire activity. Clearing them will change the outermost selection to new systems. This method is the most effective way to clear systems, because it pushes a large group all at the same time.

It basically boils down to the hard work has already been done (getting them to 80%), now is the perfect time in the week to finish them off rather than let them languish and get pushed back down when the tick happens.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Factabulous said:
(Asking because I don't understand why we're still looking at multiple Titans rather than concentrating on one at a time now they can be beaten)
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There's a bunch of people consistently attacking the spires at Indra, presumably because they like attacking spires and can't be bothered to move, so the question is whether to make use of that "terrain advantage" to get some very cheap control recaptures or not. Sure, they'll be retaken eventually, but it'll still leave Indra three controls down on wherever it eventually gets to by the time all the easier ones are done.

Similarly there's certainly arguments for putting up some parallel defence at Oya or Thor if people are so inclined, because those are in a position where outer recaptures and Alert defences could leave them unable to place their full Alert budget for a few weeks, and so improve the net position on more than just a 1-for-1 basis.

And of course, with the Invasions at Leigong now both prevented, and no inhabited Alerts either, there's not much specialists in those areas can continue to do at Leigong this week.


The big distinction is probably between containment which can be spread out quite a bit and still be valuable in the long run, and reduction where beyond a certain point - certainly for most maelstroms once they've got below Maximum DR - it really needs to be a single-minded attack. But not everyone is set up either in terms of capabilities or in terms of tolerance for mass sampling to do reduction operations, and once they get going there's less need for containment at the same location.
 

Phill P

Phill P
Ian Doncaster said:
And of course, with the Invasions at Leigong now both prevented, and no inhabited Alerts either, there's not much specialists in those areas can continue to do at Leigong this week.
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And on that note our rescue operation has moved to Oya, using Cloudbase 2 as a base of operations which will be jumping to Cephei Sector ZZ-y b3, while anyone wanting to do sampling or AX or Titan bashing in Leigong can do so and use Cloudbase as a base if they like, which is in Obassi Osaw.
 

Aleks Zuno

Aleks Zuno
For INIV specifically and not necessarily for others—if we can evict one more M. Leigong Control system beyond Arietis Sector BQ-P b5-2¹, we should!

The essence of the comparison is:
  • The T. Leigong resistance lies on a very steep slope, and just one extra M. Leigong system is worth a lot for Titan attackers. On this alone, many more Commanders will be saving much more time, the only difference being future cost versus past loss.
  • With the reasonable assumption of preventing Alerts or reducing strengths, T. Leigong needs to explode quickly! If it outlasts a week then anything it attacks will be much stronger than anything M. Indra attacks, hence giving it the best chance of not surviving.
  • The biggest numerical reason for targeting T. Leigong now—much bigger than simply having fewer systems—is exactly that it has no more peripheral progress from Spire sites! This makes T. Leigong the most expensive to leave alive, and it cannot be that Commanders acting elsewhere to effect that which no longer exists at M. Leigong should summon a harvest wing away from focusing on M. Leigong.
Indeed the remaining actions at M. Leigong are now more limited to Control systems and light Titan attacks, and M. Oya is a quite splendid choice for Invasions and Alerts! It may not have the Spire extinction argument over M. Indra, but as the next-closest for weakening it would be my next choice, even over M. Hadad given that a full clear is not needed.

An unknown possible outcome which could move us back to M. Taranis instead is if its systems continue attacking, and also become weak enough to evict! If they remain strong then we are unable to remove them, and if they cease attacking then we have no urgency to remove them, not ahead of keeping T. Leigong exposed and softening T. Oya next.

1. Now very nearly complete; thank you all! First order this evening will be to check the purchase order remaining at the Invicta.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Looking at Leigong's remaining systems, and on the assumption that this week's attacks will not weaken it to the point where a single week is sufficient to finish it off, if it also loses HIP 9643, YE-R b4-0 and (its presumed capture at) WJ-R b4-1 by the end of the following week, then it shouldn't be able to place any more Alerts for another two weeks (and therefore won't be able to increase its Control count further for three weeks) which should give plenty of time to finish it off.
 

Phill P

Phill P
Aleks Zuno said:
An unknown possible outcome which could move us back to M. Taranis instead is if its systems continue attacking, and also become weak enough to evict! If they remain strong then we are unable to remove them, and if they cease attacking then we have no urgency to remove them, not ahead of keeping T. Leigong exposed and softening T. Oya next.
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Yes, things we don't know and won't know till Thargsday are if the alerts at Taranis will still become controls, if the controls will continue to cause alerts and if clearing the systems will be equalised due to the distance from the Titan no longer being a factor, or not, plus maybe they might do some balancing, un-nerf sampling a bit and raise the value of combat etc.
 

Aleks Zuno

Aleks Zuno
Factabulous said:
Working on HIP 9643 now, hoping we can get it this week - looks like the 6k estimate is about correct.
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Oh! That being the case, it could be better if we go there today and consider finishing the inhabited system next week—would you like a strike there this evening, perhaps a bit above half the system strength?
 

Grimscrub

Grimscrub
In the background as it was asked about sorry - long day yesterday
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DCoH's carrier cargo check confirms Invicta has at least 5k relevant samples aboard as-of 05:00UTC, with the buy order at 6,812 demand still. ~200 for other systems, 100 of that for one already completed but hey, things moving pretty well.

not quite 9643's current listed 83% though, all credit to you folks.
 
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Aleks Zuno

Aleks Zuno
Goodness—both systems will be ours! Especially with the present combat activity at each, I am very sure we can review their progress this evening and see them both to completion.

Add to that the strong Alert effort also ongoing, and I think we will have twelve total systems to weaken T. Leigong; with no Alerts predicted, its displayed systems should match its actual systems at the number of 10, and the Titan ought to be feasible. For anyone at M. Leigong able to help with Control or with empty Alert, we speak of these:

HIP 9643 Control 84% *85.2% — Leigong 16 Ly
Arietis Sector WJ-R b4-1 Alert 70% *70.3% — Leigong 17 Ly
Arietis Sector KM-W d1-94 Control 24% *25% — Leigong 17 Ly
 

Factabulous

Factabulous
I'll get on with HIP 9643 - only managed 1000T last night so someone else did more of the work. Then I was going to have a look at Arietis Sector WJ-R b4-1 as suggested - though I haven't worked out a good strategy for those empty Alerts yet, so not sure how much use I'll be.

Leigong Heart#1 ETA is out to around 23d now - looks like support is waning. Hope we have enough ppl to knock it down from tomorrow :)

Though the cumulative chart doesn't show any significant drop that couldn't be explained by the weekly cycle, I really need to do the non-cumulative version 🤔

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Kayvan

Kayvan
I fought a bit at KM-W-soandso last night, but since I was alone I wasn't able to complete a CZ. Trouble w those systems is that even if other players are engaged somewhere, it's impossible to tell where, unless you get directions via chat.
So what are you saying, using anal probes on goids is more effective than fighting in occupied systems? ^^
 

BDelacroix

BDelacroix
Kayvan said:
I fought a bit at KM-W-soandso last night, but since I was alone I wasn't able to complete a CZ. Trouble w those systems is that even if other players are engaged somewhere, it's impossible to tell where, unless you get directions via chat.
So what are you saying, using anal probes on goids is more effective than fighting in occupied systems? ^^
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Unfortunately skinning is super effective. Have fun with that. I leave it to others.
 

Grimscrub

Grimscrub
HIP 9643, 100% Confirmed from DCoH/ingame.
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KM-W sitrep, with current progress estimated ~7426 (Give or take 100 - page flickered from 27% back to 26) samples required, carrier showing 5861 valid samples in cargo.
Will undock and join the fray, 4-man wing floating around working on it too.

After these... think the only one with noted progress in the leigong region would be Arietis Sector WJ-R b4-1 alert at 90%? May be able to take the entire region (including titan) down to 11 systems, where with the alerts etc. there could have been 23 in alien clutches tomorrow... just casually Halve its support, no biggie.
 

Grimscrub

Grimscrub
Carrier now reading 7624 valid samples for KM-W d1-94, with the current system progress it should take ~7425 if the 10172 remains accurate, will be scheduling jump in approx half an hour.

...now what to do in the remaining 12-13 hours before update, i suppose is the question.

-- Samples unloaded by 18:59 UTC, will monitor results.
 
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Blaggerdy

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Is sampling activity back to the level of a few months ago now Titan's are vulnerable

I can't bring myself to do it, so picking off Orthrus in alerts and Scythes + occupied pods in Invasion/Control. Suspect that's little or no value compared to sampling
 
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