Thx for the nice comment.
Seeing your rudeness, I am glad not to meet you online, hopefully.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Thx for the nice comment.
Seeing your rudeness, I am glad not to meet you online, hopefully.
You sir are a decent human being, with strong empathy. I know that almost all the people here are also, they just are unable to feel for the others because we are seeing only the monitors in front of us and not humans behind them.
It's ok I'm not really offended but you did call me stupid. Maybe I am, probably
The other thing is that FD are saying:
"well actually our vision is what we told you about early in the Kickstarter, and those of you who came in late and changed that vision, well we don't want you anymore, we don't want to honour our promise to you, but we want to keep you money."
That appears to be quite deceitful from where I am standing at this point in time. Straight from the horsed mouth from newsletters & forum Q&A's.
Is that really a quote from someone working for FD? Or is that more projection I was talking about?
It sounds like that's p*&^ed off you talking, and like I said you're entitled to that opinion and I can see why you feel that way. Hope you manage to get a refund.
Considering DB says in News Letter 50 that the majority want online I can't see why refunds for the relative few who want them would be an issue
Poet1960,
Nothing we can say will change their minds... You can take the horse to water but you can't make him/her drink! The evidence is there for anyone to read and look at.
Further more they did not EMAIL/UPDATE anyone about removing offline playing but sneaked it in with one liner. They also have not done a Kickstarter update as well since this issue has come forward. After getting 1.5 million dollars you think you would have some type of obligation to inform those people of the MAJOR change you will be doing? No... not at all!
I had to learn about this on google news. Universal FAIL.
Yet I'm sure people here will find reasons why this is perfectly fine.
The last qoute Brodie is for me the the crux of the matter, FD made a councious decision to shelve the offline commitment AND did nothing to ensure their backers were informed of this. They clearly admit failure to live up to ethical standards expected of any contractor - and despite the corporate trappings and IT nature of the product FD are merely CONTRACTORS PAID TO DELIVER A STATED PRODUCT BY FINANCERS in this case KS'ers.
There is clear evidence a percentage of KS'ers were promised an offline game as a reward for getting the game to kickstart goal
There again is clear evidence - in the form of a direct quote that offline play was deliberately sacrificed for online play.
There is once more clear evidence - that same quote that they failed to inform their backers of this degradation of their CONTRACTED product BEFORE delivery but AFTER payment.
There is a clear admission that they know this is wrong
To then come out and say that those same backers can take a flying leap is the epitome of rude and arrogant corporatease.
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Anyway i'm leaving this thread, I can't stomach any more of the bile, sensationalism and downright paranoia that has overtaken it. My sympathy to the handful of you who are genuinely affected by this, seriously, I can understand your disappointment.
I hope you manage to get your case across to Frontier, as difficult as that may be being heard over the din being created by those on both sides of the offline fence, who are here simply to cause trouble.
If you are going to the Premier i'll see you there, please behave, you may have a beef with Frontier but don't spoil an event that many of us are truly (and sadly) excited to be attending.
In my absence compile a list of those with a genuine issue who are unable to get refunds and set up a paypal account for it, i'll put some in, i'm sure others will too, hell given the current trend around here you may get a pizza too
Take care folks, i'm sorry i won't get the opportunity to fly with many of you online, it truly is my loss.
I hope you manage to get your case across to Frontier, as difficult as that may be being heard over the din being created by those on both sides of the offline fence, who are here simply to cause trouble.
If you are going to the Premier i'll see you there, please behave, you may have a beef with Frontier but don't spoil an event that many of us are truly (and sadly) excited to be attending.
In my absence compile a list of those with a genuine issue who are unable to get refunds and set up a paypal account for it, i'll put some in, i'm sure others will too, hell given the current trend around here you may get a pizza too
Take care folks, i'm sorry i won't get the opportunity to fly with many of you online, it truly is my loss.
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Please, do yourself a favor and try the free proto-type first. The grass is greener and all that.
Again... if you read last 657 post you would understand. Let me repost it again.
They can't have it both ways. Either stick to your campaign promises (which are what compelled people to fund the project), or offer refunds to those who ask for it when you bail on those promises.
Bail early if you have to, so you shed the people for whom the game you're now making isn't the game they want to fund/play. But you don't get to rattle off a list of stuff, each of which motivates different people to different degrees to decide to fund you, and then just ditch parts of that list at the end.
And I get that development can't be 100% predicted. That's why I'm saying they have to be proactive about these decisions AND allow for KS refunds when requested.
You either allow for refunds, or you make damn sure you only promise things in your KS campaign that you're actually doing to deliver, so that those who fund your project can trust that they're not standing on a rug that's going to get yanked out from under them at the end.
And for those who say, "but this isn't a store, it's an investor platform". That's disingenuous. Investors get to influence, if not outright dictate, business decisions. At no point was I or any other KS backer (the 'investors') consulted about whether they should drop offline support or soften their DRM-free commitment.
HAPPY READING.
Anyway i'm leaving this thread, I can't stomach any more of the bile, sensationalism and downright paranoia that has overtaken this thread. My sympathy to the handful of you who are genuinely affected by this, seriously, I can understand your disappointment.
I hope you manage to get your case across to Frontier, as difficult as that may be being heard over the din being created by those on both sides of the offline fence, who are here simply to cause trouble.
If you are going to the Premier i'll see you there, please behave, you may have a beef with Frontier but don't spoil an event that many of us are truly (and sadly) excited to be attending.
In my absence compile a list of those with a genuine issue who are unable to get refunds and set up a paypal account for it, i'll put some in, i'm sure others will too, hell given the current trend around here you may get a pizza too
Take care folks, i'm sorry i won't get the opportunity to fly with many of you online, it truly is my loss.
Perhaps my last comment. I find your attitude very positive. I wish you fair tydings Commander. Enjoy you game.
Because it was a tenant of the very kickstarter pitch that got the game funded, that's why. There would not be an Elite right now if David Braben had not promised the Kickstarter backers offline support.
Why is this so hard to understand?
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Papa Smurf i think you've misunderstood me. I agree with you. I was saying why can't those who want a refund have one if like Dave B says it's only a small minority? If it was only a few people then surely they'd refund rather than have this mess.
And sadly, he's not alone. I'm in the same position.
Couldn't be bothered with the videos, or the pictures, really couldn't care less now about 3.9 or Gamma whereas 5 days ago I'd have been champing at the bit for every release saying "Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!" and wearing my F5 key out.
Ironically though, I look at it from a slightly different viewpoint. He is looking for the "kill the dragon, save the princess" kind of experience. I was looking forward instead to the fact that we are NOBODIES in this game. That the galaxy is huge, wondrous, and you are a tiny speck on a tiny speck, lost in that total perspective vortex.
The difference is I guess, for me the insignificance comes from being within your own galaxy... unaffected by other nobodies like yourself.
They were too busy focussing on THE VISIONᵀᴹ
Anyhow, to those of you who made purchases in the last 6 months who are dissatisfied with FDEV's approach, at this point I'm advocating the nuclear option, contact your credit card company and issue a chargeback under either the code reference "Goods not delivered" (Accurate as most of the order is a pre-order for the game despite FDEVs weasel wording) or "Goods not as advertised" (Accurate due to their sudden change in plans effectively causing a material deviation in the product prior to the release date). The exact codes will differ depending on if your card issuer is Visa, Mastercard or AMEX, but as long as you contact them with that description as listed, they'll know what to do. If FDEV won't listen to reason, perhaps they'll listen to spite, and perhaps a few nasty messages from the card processors will force them to act a little more civilly to their customers they threw under the bus.To the deepest reaches of space with them, and I'm genuinely sorry to those who are eager for the game, I have no quarrel with you, I wish you all the best with internet spaceships. My problem lies not with you, or your desire for Elite Dangerous as it's being pitched now, but with FDEV, and how they've mishandled this mess, and then acted like a bunch of <expletive deleted> over a simple moral obligation that would have quelled the fires and allowed everyone to just *move on with their lives*.
My friend I have some water front land to sell you in Florida swampland area. You will make millions!!!!
Unless I'm mistaken, wouldn't the offline version simply be another option on the same game that also has the online option? So their design choice to not include offline due to the "quality of the experience" meeting their internal decision, was cited specifically to be a design choice (not a tech limitation) by the lead developer and company head himself.
Do I think the intent was to "screw people over"? No, I don't, but since they also admitted to knowing months ago that this feature was in jeopardy of being dropped, a simple heads-up when they first encountered problems and not two weeks prior to the release would have been a bit more welcoming.
The timing of this announcement, in conjunction to the IPO announcement and release deadlines simply seems like an "any press is good press" move. Maybe they truly felt the community would be more understanding, but there are more than a few people, like myself, who were more than content to let them (and the forum regulars) go about their business up to now because the content presented to date was supposed to be a reflection of the baseline for the offline system.
When I bought the premium beta, it was because I wanted to provide funds to the development of a game that let people who wanted to play online do so, but also allowed me to play offline with no requirement to be connected unless it was for patching needs. I honestly don't know if I would have still baked the game knowing that this feature was at risk, and that is a very real reason to not be more forthcoming about it earlier, and that is how more than a few people see it.
I've been a baker since May of this year, have less than 10 hours played because the online elements just don't grab me since the vast majority of my time in this game I don't want to compete with other players and I don't want their actions reflected in "my" game, any more than some of them want my game play style to impact their's. Telling me the one feature I wanted and backed for is now being removed, was enough reason to finally create a forum account.
What really makes this a bit shady is that there is NO PUBLISHER.
Nobody is making him release this game without all the features he promised.
He is doing it on his own volition. Why the rush to get it out before Xmas?
It's not like you are really going to get a lot of xmas sales in this genre...everyone who wants this game already paid for it.
It just seems a little short sighted to burn your reputation like this for a quick couple units sold.
Nobody is making him release this game without all the features he promised.
He is doing it on his own volition. Why the rush to get it out before Xmas?
It's not like you are really going to get a lot of xmas sales in this genre...everyone who wants this game already paid for it.
It just seems a little short sighted to burn your reputation like this for a quick couple units sold.
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