Interestingly, my brother has been playing a mobile game for years, it is heavily "pay2win" monetised and it can cost players a huge sum to 'have it all', he has spent over the last 5 years around the same as me on ED cosmetics, just because he knows how to "Just say NO", amazing!
Pay2Win made it to Elite
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Well, I would guess that this is a quick win for them, needing almost no development effort other than what has already has been done, whilst pulling in a few ££.
I also wonder if the reaction to Odyssey has scalded them, both financially and with bad PR. So, despite the forum and youtube hoo-ha, this was likely seen as a low risk thing to do.
One interesting point from the last report to the Stock Exchange was that ED wasn't mentioned, but instead space games were. Games. Plural. Tbh it's likely just the use of language rather than a sign. Probably.
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Well, then they have listened to the worst feedback, after a loooooong track record of not listening to feedback at all.
Planet Planet back on!
It's something you can use as a justification - for example because FDev had built up considerable rust before the odyssey launch by patching Horizons for years after launch and adding major features to it, reducing the engineering and guardian grinds among other things. That made me more confident that odyssey would see the same amount of love and post-launch support even if it launches in kind of a messy state. Odyssey itself hasn't really been fully fixed as far as I'm concerned.
I don't think anyone is making the argument that FDev has handled the game well the past few years and deserves the money for the great work they've already put into the game and it's all based on "maybe they'll use the money to improve the game somewhat" at it's core which also requires people to trust FDev to do that. What in recent times makes people think they're able to do that?
Goodbye. Can I have ur stuff?
Such a hissyfit you all are having. Talking of "Pay to win" is silly - this is one of the few games where there IS no win. No touchdown line. No ultimate medal, then start over.
ED in all its forms is the best value for money game I ever bought, and I'm amazed it's still being developed (for which, much thanks). However development costs money, even maintenance costs money, and good luck to Frontier if they've found a way to enhance their income stream and keep this great game alive.
If you don't want to buy a ship with ARX, then don't, and keep playing your way ; and let others play their way, thanks.
BTW : buying a ship doesn't buy the ability to use it properly. That only comes with player experience.
"Worst feedback", hmmm
That would be listening to, and acting upon, the demands of the "open only" voices, surely? That would kill the game quicker than any money grab, according to some!
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Hindsight is 20/20; a lot of things could have been different.
Spacelegs which many had been asking for were added; we are on U19 since Odyssey launched.
You said it yourself: "patching Horizons for years after launch". -they are doing the exact same thing with elite still.
Last year saw a ton of additions to the game, and that at a time where they as a company was in seriously rough waters.
It is fully fair to be skeptical; demeaning cynicism when they even made a roadmap for this year not so much.
This is about their dedication, not the current debate about prebuilts/ea just to be clear.
Their continued dedication and diligence is what makes me think them able.
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Frontier have made no mention of using the proceeds from this latest idea to further fund development of ED, so no need for people to have to "trust" anything, surely?
And, obviously, each individual will decide if they want to give amy money to FD, those who have no wish to, won't, after all. As long as you are honest with yourself, does it matter what another individual chooses to do?
I subscribe to a number of youtube channels... Oddly, none of the ones I watch spout their opinion as fact, or consider themselves 'important' as they have a revenue stream coming in from advertising monetisation...
Gaming channels for ED? "GND" & Buur (sometimes watch), Reggit (often watch) about sums it up, most of the 'big' streamers are on "never show me" as well as some of the ones I have no interest in...
I'm a terrible advert for any of the "Social Media" offerings really, I know
I once did something similar, primarily because I thought the game design, and the stories of friendship and adventure underpinning each weekly chapter, were adorable, and the gameplay was extremely fun... though it did require quite a bit of time management and the purchase of a small laptop to maximize my "stamina" regeneration, since my iPad wouldn't support Flash. It took me half a year before I realized that I'd been playing a Safe-for-Work verson of an english language import of an online Japanese eroge game.
Still kept playing, though, because I wanted to see what the next chapter of the story would be.The thing is, if every player was like me or your brother, these companies would go out of business. There's more than enough players with poor impulse control to keep them up and running, and in fact rely on them for the vast majority of their funding. They even have a name for these players: Whales.
Of course, that game I played apparently wasn't predatory enough, because they stopped importing new chapters about six months later, long before Adobe announced that they would stop supporting Flash. The original Japanese version is still going strong, but when I tried playing it (via early Google Translate), I discovered that that version was far more predatory than the one I'd played.
Truth indeed, they rely on people being willing to want 'more'.
I'd be surprised if FD jumped in with both feet and ramped up monetisation of ED, but if they would, in my case there would be 5 accounts not giving them another penny - and not using server time, so I guess it wouldn't be all bad for them.
But, as I do have some consideration for how other people may see things, I wouldn't be making my discontent public over 'scummy behaviour', it would just make me look even more of a fool, wouldn't it?
I still have a fond memory of a forum member insisting that everyone should stop pre-ordering games from any developer, I laughed at them too.
ETA: on that tack, I did pre-order CP2077 and was not particularly thrilled with what was released - but the other couple I did the same for have been brilliant.
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Space Games.
Are there any others besides
I don’t recall others from the FU live streams.
A game with P2W or otherwise bad monetization where the players publicly hate it is better than one where it's accepted and the poors are mocked for being poor.
I remember Brett saying that the rule of thumb amongst gaming companies was 90:8:2 (ish) with respect to forums.
This is where 90% of the user base either rarely or never visit the official forum, and very few have accounts. The remaining 8% visit more regularly but, broadly, it's only 2% who will post routinely.
So, as much noise as we all love to make in our safe-space (see what I did there!?), we have to remember that we are the minority. However, we are also passionate and care. So. Make of that what you will.
In summary, you're wrong, and here's a cat:
...oh and if FDev do listen... where are the hula-boy/girl bobbleheads that I've looooong been requesting!?!?!?
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Don't the ones who hate it not give their money?
If monetisation is considered bad by players, they become ex-players in short order, surely?
Ah, that's been a while since i played elite, and we got p2w system... wait, where is P2W exactly?
Well, first of all, sorry for my terrible English. I know it's bad, so stay strong.
Honestly, i don't see current system as P2W, because it's, like always, was made in frontier-style: instead of something you could really monetize, they throw something meaningless.
Early-access ships? I know a bunch of players(me included) who plays game once in, lets say, 5-7 month, see that nothing really changes(we are not bug stompers, so all this thargoid stuff means nothing for us), and go to cryopod for another 5-6 months. So, made it early-access for god's sake, there will be a group of players who don't even notice that.
Pre-built setups? For mining i could agree(you can get that kind of setup in a week or less if you really want it although). But for AX-combat i'd say it a perfect investment to get pwned by interceptors. Because you can made a best meta ship 10 out of 10 for AX combat, if you don't know how to fight and flight properly, interceptors will kill you. Always wanted to pay for taste of defeat, you know.
All of that is funny, but as monetization policy it looks pretty weak and bland. Engineering system on the other hand - if i was working in FDEV - i'd see that as primary opportunity for monetization. Just imagine possibilities...
You want your backpack capacity doubled? Sure, just pay another 10$ in ARX! You don't want to grind all these boring materials? We got a special trader just for you. It almost free, just 10 ARX per item and 20 ARX per data! And if you want infinity backpack you could just buy a subscribe, just 10% per month! Even Fallout 76 does it, so we can do better!
Well, first of all, sorry for my terrible English. I know it's bad, so stay strong.
Honestly, i don't see current system as P2W, because it's, like always, was made in frontier-style: instead of something you could really monetize, they throw something meaningless.
Early-access ships? I know a bunch of players(me included) who plays game once in, lets say, 5-7 month, see that nothing really changes(we are not bug stompers, so all this thargoid stuff means nothing for us), and go to cryopod for another 5-6 months. So, made it early-access for god's sake, there will be a group of players who don't even notice that.
Pre-built setups? For mining i could agree(you can get that kind of setup in a week or less if you really want it although). But for AX-combat i'd say it a perfect investment to get pwned by interceptors. Because you can made a best meta ship 10 out of 10 for AX combat, if you don't know how to fight and flight properly, interceptors will kill you. Always wanted to pay for taste of defeat, you know.
All of that is funny, but as monetization policy it looks pretty weak and bland. Engineering system on the other hand - if i was working in FDEV - i'd see that as primary opportunity for monetization. Just imagine possibilities...
You want your backpack capacity doubled? Sure, just pay another 10$ in ARX! You don't want to grind all these boring materials? We got a special trader just for you. It almost free, just 10 ARX per item and 20 ARX per data! And if you want infinity backpack you could just buy a subscribe, just 10% per month! Even Fallout 76 does it, so we can do better!
May of been suggested, but it always been shot down badly by the forum community.
People don't behave entirely rationally some of the time.
I'm not sorry, your statement is rubbish and shows a lack of English comprehension.
If you don't have to grind it because you paid for it, but I do have to grind it because I did not, then you have an advantage you paid for. It is P2W, arguing it's not, is silly. So again, the real question is: "Can I live with this level of Pay to Win?" I probably can.
Another question appears to be: "Can some of you deal with the truth?"... It's looking like that answer is no.
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