Which Titan Next?

[SergMx]

It does, but people are targeting Indra and it will probably have the counterstrikes(the purple arrows) next week as it will lose a few controls in this one. So any effort you put in would be more useful there, not Thor.

People need to clearly write their position at least on the forum. And then it is not quite clear to me, because in the description of the patch clearly wrote - where the systems are less ! And added the phrase - plan wisely.
Why do the opposite? Someone is too lazy to move his aircraft carrier to the right? I don't understand

 

[Kira Goto]

And added the phrase - plan wisely.

They didn’t say plan, but “choose” - and in context, the phrasing was “If two Titans have the same number of controlled systems”.

Now, yes - Thor is the easier target between it and Indra, but Indra was chosen because of the popularity of the Titan, meaning the amount of players fighting it. (Its Thargoids, more specifically)

The difference in the number of controls between both Titans(103 for Thor, 104 for Indra) is also only one, so - it isn’t like there is a massive difference in that either.

The simple version is, people made the choice to pick Indra because it has more players behind it to pick apart the systems it holds, even though those will be harder to clear out than Thor’s. (And it also matters less with the system difficulty rebalance + combat buffs)

 

[SergMx]

The simple version is, people made the choice to pick Indra because it has more players behind to pick apart the systems it holds, even though those will be harder to clear out than Thor’s.

That's what I wrote, it's just that someone is too lazy to move their aircraft carrier and doesn't care about the difficulty.

Thank you for the answers, I do not like not logical actions for the convenience of someone, and so now moved his aircraft carrier to Thor, if I see that the state has changed I will move back.

Counterstrike system marking has been partially reworked
The 10 furthest controlled systems from a Titan are now marked as counterstrike, regardless of direction
The furthest spire system from a Titan is now marked as counterstrike
The above changes are in addition to the existing counterstrike marking system, which remains in place

Additionally, Anti Xeno Combat Zones now spawn in all Thargoid controlled systems
These changes only apply to the Titan with the fewest controlled systems
In the event 2 Titans have the same number of controlled systems, both will follow this new ruleset. Choose wisely, Commanders.

UPD Now I have : 104 for Thor, 105 for Indra

 

[Ian Doncaster]

The Counterstrike systems are only helpful if your way of contributing to the fight involves fighting Control AXCZs, which isn't suited to everyone. And it only matters that Thor has extra Counterstrikes if you have the strength available to clear all of them anyway - Indra has Counterstrikes too, so if you can only clear a few it doesn't matter that Thor has more of them.

Most importantly, there isn't a single unified player command (and nor could there be) for deciding which Titan should be attacked next. A number of well-known groups are attacking Indra, yes. But there are some major Imperial groups concentrating on targets at Thor and Cocijo which are more threatening to Imperial space. Similarly some Federal groups are continuing to work on containing Cocijo to stop it getting closer to Federal space. A group has been quietly running containment operations at Thor since Oya was defeated, rather than joining the previous attack on Hadad, which is why Thor has slightly fewer systems than Indra right now. Major hauling groups (which don't benefit from counterstrikes at all) are prioritising Indra to help the attack but operating at all four.

Wherever you go you'll find at least some groups also working on systems in that area (and that's no bad thing, either - it might only be practical to collapse one Titan at once, but it's also important not to let the other three spread out too much further while that happens).

 

[SergMx]

The Counterstrike systems are only helpful if your way of contributing to the fight involves fighting Control AXCZs, which isn't suited to everyone. And it only matters that Thor has extra Counterstrikes if you have the strength available to clear all of them anyway - Indra has Counterstrikes too, so if you can only clear a few it doesn't matter that Thor has more of them.

Most importantly, there isn't a single unified player command (and nor could there be) for deciding which Titan should be attacked next. A number of well-known groups are attacking Indra, yes. But there are some major Imperial groups concentrating on targets at Thor and Cocijo which are more threatening to Imperial space. Similarly some Federal groups are continuing to work on containing Cocijo to stop it getting closer to Federal space. A group has been quietly running containment operations at Thor since Oya was defeated, rather than joining the previous attack on Hadad, which is why Thor has slightly fewer systems than Indra right now. Major hauling groups (which don't benefit from counterstrikes at all) are prioritising Indra to help the attack but operating at all four.

Wherever you go you'll find at least some groups also working on systems in that area (and that's no bad thing, either - it might only be practical to collapse one Titan at once, but it's also important not to let the other three spread out too much further while that happens).

I understand YOU, but didn't they make a clue for everyone in 18.06 ? Do not (for example, the Imperials) realize that if they now throw on a smaller number, it will be faster to destroy him and then all will throw to them ?
I don't understand, why disperse the force? To make the war more protracted?

 

[Ian Doncaster]

I don't understand, why disperse the force? To make the war more protracted?

Not everyone is trying to win the war in the fastest possible time, certainly. Some people are just happy to defend the systems they care about - if the big groups take out the Titan threatening them, they won't move on to another system, they'll just get back to doing whatever they were doing before the Thargoids came. If the big groups do something else, they'll put in a small amount of effort to keep systems they like safe, then do other things the rest of the week.

But also not everyone is set up for every type of action. Someone who isn't practised at Thargoid combat and wants repair support from a friendly station is going to be hopping around Invasions - whether or not that's technically the most optimal way to win the war. Haulers need inhabited Alert or Invasion systems to work in and Thor has very few of those (and the counterstrike bonus doesn't matter either way). Because Thor is relatively constrained for Alerts, containing it by stopping its Alerts and maybe knocking out the occasional Control is a very efficient use of time, even if there's no plan to destroy it yet.

"Indra while containing Thor" therefore has a small advantage over "Thor while containing Indra" that containment of Thor is much more cost-effective, so the total time to defeat both Titans is probably slightly lower (at least under the new rules) doing it that way round, because Thor will add fewer new Controls while Indra is defeated than Indra would add while Thor is defeated.


If you want to keep Thor contained efficiently and make use of the bonus counterstrikes this week, Col 285 Sector LB-O c6-1 should be a good target: retaking that will also prevent an Alert next week, so you save two systems for the price of one.