No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]

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So why play that card now? Money has not been stolen from you. Your situation is entirely irrelevant to the facts of the matter.

You didn't buy a product, you bought access to a testing program. You've had exactly what you paid for.

Wrong. The "testing program['s]" STORE PAGE stated "Single Player Offline [ in the finished product]". No small print. Though I am older than most here and my eye's are dimming, I am able to still read.
 
I am curious about something. Do you envision the game to be completely static? IE lets assume we got offline mode. Would you want that offline mode to be completely static? in the sense that say gold on station X costs y now and if you play the game for 1000 hours and go back to station x it will still cost y because it is static. Or would you expect the price to fluctuate? Either randomly to sorta give the impression of an economy or actually based on your and npc trading to have an actual economy?

I think the offline folks would be fine with that, or even prices that fluctuate randomly within a fixed range per station. Remember this stuff is procedural so it's relatively easy to code. Hence my suggestion to FD to deliver an offline mode after all, at a later date, with exactly such restrictions.

If they announced such a thing, the entire #offlinegate thing would be over instantly. And the negative free publicity Elite Dangerous gets right now would be turned into mostly positive publicity. Mostly.
 
I am curious about something. Do you envision the game to be completely static? IE lets assume we got offline mode. Would you want that offline mode to be completely static? in the sense that say gold on station X costs y now and if you play the game for 1000 hours and go back to station x it will still cost y because it is static. Or would you expect the price to fluctuate? Either randomly to sorta give the impression of an economy or actually based on your and npc trading to have an actual economy?

That sort of thing could in fact be a switch in an options menu.

In any case, nothing prevents a procedurally generated galaxy from being dynamic, from evolving over time, or even from being player-influenced.
 
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I am curious about something. Do you envision the game to be completely static? IE lets assume we got offline mode. Would you want that offline mode to be completely static? in the sense that say gold on station X costs y now and if you play the game for 1000 hours and go back to station x it will still cost y because it is static. Or would you expect the price to fluctuate? Either randomly to sorta give the impression of an economy or actually based on your and npc trading to have an actual economy?


Seriously?
Then how did the previous Elite games had a dynamic economy?
Or the several other games with dynamic economy which are not online?
 
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Probably not even that. The discount is what we campaigned for, and got. You buy a whole new package, the beta, and you get a discount for using the previous payment to cover some of the cost. In effect you cancelled the previous purchase, and used the refund to buy the beta.

The shop receipts prove you wrong! Two seperate items, it won't hold a second in a court. A change of contracts requires at least a mentioning of "which contract" it is changing, don't you think?
 

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Irrespective. You bought access to a beta test, not a product.

Really. So if the online game was pulled for any reason at all what you're saying is that no one would have any reason to complain?

And btw, I was responding to someone else's post with that answer.
 
Wrong. The "testing program['s]" STORE PAGE stated "Single Player Offline [ in the finished product]". No small print. Though I am older than most here and my eye's are dimming, I am able to still read.

You still didn't buy a product, nothing was guaranteed. You paid for access to a test program, not a finished product. Nothing was stolen.
 
Ok so a DOH moment here, why not provide an archive of the server on release so everyone can play in an offline enviroment then?!

I can surmise you don't want you core of what makes your product work to be handed on a silver platter to hackers and competitors.
 
That's not the customer's problem. If I promise offline mode and design the game so that offline is impractical to implement and end up not being able to deliver the promised feature, I made a mistake and I should take full responsibility for it.

"Taking responsibility" should not end with giving an apology, no matter how appreciated.

I fully agree with you and am myself annoyed enough by this decision to never buy another thing developed by Frontier and that is a promise I will keep. Because I feel that droping off-line mode was not some little thing and it may well have not got enough funding on Kick-starter if they hadn't promised that I remember well how important it was to many who origionally backed this.

I was just explaining why I think they have made a decision that is tearing their player community apart, alienating people from doing business with them in future and dragging their companies reputation through the mud in the press. I do not argue that any of these conseqences are not fully deserved and that they have anyone to blame for any damage to their reputation and future business than themselves.

They promised off-line during the kickstarter and beyond in pre-sale and a month before release they have pulled the plug on it. To be clear to me that is not and will never be exceptable, to abandon off-line so late in the day shows it was never taken seriously as a requirement in the design and hence they never really cared about having to deliver it regardless of any promises made to get more money early on, that's unethical period.
 
Ditto, but I'm not angry, but I'll be at the premier, I hope that there is no silliness at the event.


I'm angry. I'll be at the Premiere. I think if people want to protest, they shouldn't go. Make a video of yourself tearing up your ticket and post it on the forum, but don't ruin the night for everyone else.
 
As you are no judge, you are in no position to "decide" what he is legally entitled to, neither is Frontier... that decision is up to court, in case he goes down that path.

Your "kind" rants, won't change anything...

I believe a 'rant' would require me to be emotionally involved in the matter which I can assure you is not the case since I haven't lost anything to get emotional about. And we were talking about refunds outside of legal entitlement, which Frontier DO get to decide.
 
Really. So if the online game was pulled for any reason at all what you're saying is that no one would have any reason to complain?

And btw, I was responding to someone else's post with that answer.

You could complain all you wanted. Doesn't change the fact that you'd really have no legal right to since you didn't enter into any contract to purchase a product. You paid for access into an alpha/beta program - irrespective of how that turned out.
 
I can surmise you don't want you core of what makes your product work to be handed on a silver platter to hackers and competitors.
Well, actually I wouldn't care, I could play a looooong time in that offline galaxy... (ok, I'm starting to sound like these trolls... sorry!)
 
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